I don't think the Fusebox people are using that X number to say that because there are so many X people using FB, so should you. Rather, it's there for informational purposes, and to say that, yeah, people are using it. Maybe not a lot in comparison to some other framework, but the only winner in a comparison like that is the most popular item in it's class.
----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Liotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:34 pm Subject: Re: Cons to Fusebox > See my response to another email along similar lines. However, I'd > to > respond to your email a little differently. > > Based on my earlier message it could be said that there is 10 > times as > many Java developers as CF developers, so why would one use CF > over > Java? There are tons of answers to that question that I think most > of > us know. In fact, we know these answers so well that we disregard > the > number of Java developers as irrelevant. > > Now then... with so many more people using Struts as opposed to > Fusebox > (both of which can be used in Java and CF), why would one use > Fusebox > over Struts? The answers to that question aren't as important as > realizing that most CF developers don't know them. Thus, whenever > someone tries to sell Fusebox based on the number of people using > it > the obvious question remains, why not use something with a greater > > following? > > I don't use Struts or Fusebox, so I don't care. I only point this > out > to show how silly the whole "17,000 people use Fusebox and you > should > too" line is. > > -Matt > > On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 03:29 PM, Sandy Clark wrote: > > > Why are you comparing the numbers using a Java Framework to the > numbers> using a ColdFusion framework? Isn't that like comparing > Appes to > > Oranges? It > > has no meaning. Does this mean that because there are more Java > > Programmers, we should all just stop using CF and move to Java?? > > > > Struts is the most popular framework for Java. It doesn't mean > that > > Struts > > can be used in C++ Development, nor does it mean that it can be > used in > > ColdFusion development (I did read the article on DevNet), but > not > > everyone > > is doing cross Java/CFMX development. > > > > Instead compare Apples to Apples. Compare Struts to something > like > > JADE > > (IBM) or Barracuda. Compare Fusebox to things like BlackBox or > > SmartObjects. > > > > Those are true comparisons I would like to see. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:00 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Cons to Fusebox > > > > > > I saw this thread mentioned on Sean's blog and I was thinking about > > rejoining this list before reading his blog, so here I am. I'm not > > interested in trying to rehash much of the debate since I am > late to > > this thread, but I feel like it is important to make at least a > couple> of points. > > > > First, I largely agree with Dave's position in this debate, but > I don't > > agree with him in regards to his application of common sense in > lieu of > > a framework. I think frameworks are extremely valuable and can > make an > > enormous difference in the success of web applications > especially where > > more than 3 people on working on them. Of course, picking the wrong > > framework for an application can lead to all sorts of problems, > so the > > notion of one framework being the correct one in every case > should be > > abandoned. > > > > Second, I have seen numerous references by Fusebox people both > in and > > out of this thread in regards to how the sheer number of people > using> Fusebox is an important point. I like to put that into > perspective a > > bit. According to Fusebox.org, there are 17756 using Fusebox. > Not sure > > where that number comes from, but let's apply that to the number > of CF > > developers, which is supposed to be about 300,000. That would mean > > about 6% of CF developers are using Fusebox. Now then, let's assume > > that 6% of Java developers are using Struts. Since there is > supposed to > > be about 3,000,000 Java developers that would mean there would be > > 180,000 Java developers using Struts. > > > > There are a lot of reasons why one would use Struts over Fusebox and > > vice versa, but if sheer numbers matter to people than Struts is the > > way to go since it is used by a lot more people. BTW, if you > don't buy > > the above numbers; take a look at the Amazon.com sales rankings > for the > > 10+ struts books vs. the Fusebox books. > > > > -Matt > > > > On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 12:27 PM, Erik Yowell wrote: > > > >>> > >>> Trade offs. Everything is a trade off. Sometimes the quick, > >>> unstructured 'hack' is the right solution... > >>> > >> > >> This for me (being a small shop) is why I've extensively > adopted a > >> framework like Fusebox. Most of my projects are not going to > become an > >> Amazon.com anytime soon, while this doesn't mean I should write > sloppy>> code - it does allow the flexibility of allowing a bit of > a processing > >> overhead in lieu of manageability and the ability to bring in > external>> talent to easily assist me in changes (if needed) by > providing a good > >> set of standards and the Fusebox docs. I don't have to spend > precious>> time educating another developer on the intricacies of > a custom > >> framework. > >> > >> Despite what organizations like Rational think (in the sense > that > >> there > >> is no such thing as RAD development) - I mean, come on now, how > many>> developers out there have had the "I needed it yesterday" > conversation>> with a client? I find having the ability to quickly > find and make > >> changes to medium sized projects, forced structuring of code and > >> application processes to be a boon. > >> > >> Erik Yowell > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> http://www.shortfusemedia.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
