All excellent points. At last years CF United there was a good LAMP presentation.
I'm so tired of hearing how CF is dead. Hell, I know people that are still writing COBOL. CF is doing just fine, better than under Allaire, and better than under Macromedia. > -----Original Message----- > From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:58 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > > > Personally, I tried to learn .NET a few times, but it seemed > pretty backward > to me, and I have a MS in CS. I'm sure if I really needed to, I > could learn > it and be productive in it, but I doubt it would be as good as CF. > > As far as CF having no IDE, what about CFEclipse? There are also > html ide's > that were discussed here a few weeks ago. > > So you can get a free BlueDragon cf server, use CFEclipse as the > editor, run > the server on linux/apache, use mysql for the db and everything is free. > You just need some place to host your server. The only limit is that the > free BD server doesn't support SSL (but I'm sure I can find a way around > that using apache if I had to). > > You can't say the same about .NET. > > Russ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:15 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > > > > Hi, Phil... > > > > I share your sentiments concerning CF and it's pricing and market share. > > > > There's just no competing with "free"...and although I don't know .NET > > and C# at this point, I doubt seriously that a person equally > experienced > > in .NET and C# would take substantially more time, if any at all, to > > maintain an > > app that was written in that language rather than CF. > > > > I love CF, and without any formal training other than a CF WACK > 4.0 book, > > this list, and the Internet in general, have been able to write many web > > applications and make a decent living using CFML and CF Server. > > > > I'm a one-man development shop and don't have a corporate budget backing > > my purchases, so the cost of a technology definitely comes into play > > when I consider using it. I look at CF and Dreamweaver (I like > WYSIWYG), > > and I think, hmmm....about $1700...I look at .NET and some of their free > > design tools, which are pretty good, and I think, hmmm...$0... > > > > I've only worked a little with .NET and MS's design tools and I have to > > say, > > I don't like having to learn a new language, etc., and find CF so much > > more > > intuitive. But I'm a smart guy and with some effort, I can > learn .NET and > > C# > > and be just as productive in application production in the end. > > > > With the new tools, etc., that MS is providing to support .NET, it's > > getting > > harder and harder to justify spending so much money on CF. > > > > CF has no IDE, which adds to the cost of using CF, too. > > > > One of the biggest factors in my not embracing .NET yet...this list...I > > searched > > for a .NET list as good as CF-Talk, but couldn't find anything that came > > close. And I know just how important this list has been for me. Maybe > > it's > > because the CF community is smaller than the .Net community, > but I haven't > > found a list to provide the support I would need to transition to .NET, > > yet. > > > > I'm still happily using CF 4.5.2, however, and see no reason to upgrade. > > I don't care how I code for the end user, be it in 4.5 style or > the latest > > and > > greatest .cfc...all I care about is the experience for the end > user...and > > unless > > I'm using FLEX or AJAX, I haven't seen any significant end user > experience > > improvements through the various CF versions. > > > > > > > > A good discussion to have on a Friday... > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Phillip Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:30 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > > > > Steve, > > > > Let me start by saying I have been with CF since 1996. > > > > I've recently learned .NET via C# as well. The resemblance of C# to Java > > is > > remarkable which made the learning curve much faster for me. However, I > > must > > agree with you and also add that ASP.NET 2.0 is faster / requires less > > hardware to host the same ap. It has built in enterprise session > > capability > > that allows your SQL database to track your session state and much more. > > > > After about 6 months of learning / using .NET, I don't see myself using > > ColdFusion as a recommended middleware for large scale sites or clients > > that > > are on a budget. The company that I work for HAD the highest traffic > > ColdFusion site on the planet. > > > > Here is a situation similar to mine: > > > http://members.microsoft.com/CustomerEvidence/Common/FileOpen.aspx?FileNam > > e= > > 10625_ComputerJobs_bizversion_300k.wvx > > > > The thing that I don't agree with that CJ.com said was about > the number of > > developers it took to maintain the sites pre / post conversion. > They must > > have had some code org. issues, because that has been the same for us. > > > > Unfortunately, I can see the writing on the wall for CF unless Adobe > > adopts > > a DRAMATIC pricing reduction strategy. Plain and simply put, > with .NET and > > Mono in the market, CF can no longer increase market share whilst > > continuing > > to maintain / increase their pricing. They're not the only game in town > > and > > they need to start acting like it. > > > > I pains me to write this publicly about CF. So please no > flames. I hate it > > just as much as the next CF'er. However, I am relieved that I > have finally > > learned .NET because the .NET to CF job ratio is about 100:1 at least. > > Holding on exclusively to a versus mentality will only hurt yourself in > > the > > end. > > > > > > > > --Phil > > > > ===========> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:19 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > > > > I use ASP.NET quite a bit, and while I'd still give CF a slight edge in > > development speed, the gap has closed tremendously since the days of > > original ASP. Now that ASP.NET has a top-notch visual > designer, there are > > times when coding an ASP.NET application can be even faster than CF - > > given > > that the programmers knowledge of both is equal. > > > > Steve Brownlee > > http://www.fusioncube.net/ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:57 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > > > > > > Is the argument that development in CF is quicker then in .NET still > > > valid - when comparing latest to latest - anyone expert on say Asp.Net > > > ... I just know VB myself, > > > > > > TK > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: > 9/22/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:254774 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
