You can download a configured eclipse "package". I donât remember the URL offhand, but I think the eclipse.org site has a link to it in the SDK section. That is what I am using now and that did help make it at least usable, though I have had problems with packages not loading due to dependencies (why doesn't it get what it needs...after all...if it is smart enough to know it needs it, it should be smart enough to go and get it). I have been using Eclipse for about 3 months now, both at work and in my other endevors. I just donât think it is all cracked up to what the evangelista here make it up to be. It's definitely a tool that grew up in a Linux environment...and to me is about as friendly.
Eric -----Original Message----- From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Editor Why doesn't someone who's climbed the learning curve and HAS configured all these hundreds of things, and installed all the plugins just release/distribute their build? Being as it's java I can just stick someone else's Eclipse install on my PC and go to town right? I'd pay money for not having to learn all this and configure all those snippets... Greg On 6/26/07, Eric Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's the current version of both...if it is possible to set it up > incorrectly, then definitely puts it in the POS file for me. I shouldn't > have to worry about setting a friken ide correctly or not in this day and > age. > > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:07 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: CF Editor > > I think what is being revealed here is that either Eric is using an old > version of CFEclipse or Eclipse, or he has it set up incorrectly, or he > simply doesn't know how it works. Because as Doug is pointing out, all of > his complaints are either things I have never seen happen or things that > Eclipse does that he just doesn't seem to be aware of. > > On 6/26/07, Doug Bezona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > This can be mitigated somewhat by not starting with the whole > "everything > > and the kitchen sink" SDK distribution of Eclipse. If you start with > the > > platform runtime version, and only add the plugins you need, startup > tends > > to be faster, and memory usage somewhat less since there are a lot fewer > > components being loaded. > > > You can also speed it up a lot by specifying a recent JVM as a startup > argument. Using a Java 6 JVM, for example, makes Eclipse open about twice > as > fast. > > I have never had this experience, and have used Eclipse for a couple of > > years now. It may be a particular plugin causing issues, or some other > > sort > > of problem. I'm not saying you aren't having the issue, just that it's > not > > the "status quo", and is likely resolvable. > > > I'd say something is wrong in his setup because I've never seen this > either. > > That's just the default keyboard shortcut. Virtually every command and > it's > > keyboard shortcut is configurable. It may not be the most intuitive > > default, > > but I had the same issues back in the day going from CF Studio to DW, > and > > Eclipse is at least quite flexible in this regard. > > > Eric must not have found the keyboard shortcuts editor, or he refuses to > change it to suit his preferences. > > CFEclipse comes with a file explorer view, so you can work in directory > mode > > if you like. It also now has pretty solid FTP support. If you get the > > Adobe > > ColdFusion plug-ins, you can use RDS as well. > > > Exactly. Project mode has some nice advantages but you can absolutely work > with directories as well. > > Most of what I do is not > > > conducive to this project mode crap. I am forced to use it at work, > so > > I > > > also use it for other thing to learn it better and get used to it. > > > > I can totally understand why this is a difficult transition for some > > people, > > but it is actually a lot more powerful in many ways. Things like working > > sets, the ability to have a project contain only a subset of files in a > > directory, or files from multiple directories. Or, it can really be just > > like a directory browser. It doesn't really take anything away, but does > > add > > a lot of functionality. > > > Agreed. I've already covered the huge advantages the Eclipse project idiom > brings to the table just in terms of Subversion and ANT integration. I > won't > bother repeating it again. > > I don't know the source of the problem...if it is a CFEclipse issue or > > > if it is an underlying Eclipse issue...but this has some serious > issues > > > that > > > effect usablility. Eclipse can't even do a proper site wide search or > > > search all open docs. > > > Again, Eric reveals that he simply doesn't know how to do a search in > Eclipse. Because it will search selected text, a file, a set of files, a > project, or the entire workspace. > > > The Eclipse people also seem to have a bad attitude. On Vista, there > > > seems > > > to be a problem unpacking the code using the native unzipper. While > all > > > my > > > other zipped files that have been zipped by WinZip and WinRar seem to > > work > > > fine, Eclipse requires the use of a third party package to unzip. > > > > This is > > > something that the Eclipse peole are unwilling (and have stated so) to > > fix > > > by using a better compression package instead of some off the wall > open > > > source POS one. > > > As Dave and others have pointed out (and now I think it's clear we're in > the > middle of a full-on trend), Eric's understanding of the issue is > completely > incorrect. > > I happen to prefer Eclipse, and am very happy I spent the time to learn > how > > it works, and make use of the powerful features it offers. Not having to > > spend a few hundred bucks to get it is a nice bonus also. > > > I couldn't agree more. > > Regards, > > Brian > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales & marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:282342 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
