Hey, I replied privately to a message written by one woman, and copied the
woman who made the original post. Now I'm back in the middle of things
again. Goes to show that no good word, not to mention deed, ever goes
unpunished!
Welcome back, Friday follies!!! :->
Hey Dale, hope you don't mind me confiscating the chat site for the
VPN/IPSec class this afternoon. Ladies 1/2 price and drinks are free!
(sorry, I couldn't resist )
http://www.allnetllc.net/chat/ciscochat.htm
3-6 pacific time 6-9 east coast time
my correct router ip will be 64.220.150.9 ipsec 56 bit des
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 12:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco for Woman?
Well, like my sister always says, "Dont be bitter, be better..."
[=`)
>From: "Lenita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Lenita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Ms. Maria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chuck Larrieu"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: "Cisco@Groupstudy. Com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Cisco for Woman?
>Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:29:40 -0700
>
>Chuck, I'm glad you appreciate women, that's great! Good for you!
>
>My points, however, I think are still valid: this is an OVERWHELMINGLY
>male
>field and she should be aware that it is NOT by accident that there is a
>lack of women in the field.
>
>Should that stop Maria? No, of course not. It used to be that there no
>women Doctors, no female Attorneys, etc. So she can overcome and succeed.
>But she asked the question, and I'm a woman in this field and will speak to
>the TRUTH of what I said.
>
>And, I never said there weren't great, professional men in this field.
>There are, and those men are in the majority, no question.
>
>However, there are also very unprofessional men in this field, unlike other
>fields of work, who don't get disciplined for their remarks and behaviour
>because of their perceived technical skills.
>
>This is a reality that Maria needs to deal with; she should not let it
>stop
>her, she just needs to recognize that the rules are different for technical
>males versus technical females.
>
>Mileage may indeed vary, but real life is real life.......
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 9:56 AM
>To: Lenita; Ms. Maria
>Subject: RE: Cisco for Woman?
>
>
>I for one am grateful for the good advice and inspiration I have received
>from a number of people on and off this list. More than a couple of those
>folks are women. I owe Pam Forsythe and Clare Gough big time. I consider
>Priscilla Oppenheimer a great lady in every sense of the term. I've read
>just a bit of Laura Chappell, but can she ever write!
>
>I think that the "boys" are just that. I think you will also find that the
>"men" out there really appreciate the presence of a qualified woman. Like
>everything else, your mileage may vary.
>
>Best wishes in your studies.
>
>Chuck
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
>Lenita
>Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 9:23 AM
>To: Ms. Maria; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Cisco for Woman?
>
>Let me speak to this from a woman's point of view. Being a trailblazer
>isn't a lot of fun, trust me. You are exactly right, this is a HEAVILY
>male-dominated field, and the best way to think of it as if the field were
>like white-collar construction; lots of male macho behaviour. Some of the
>crap I've heard and been exposed to in this field would automatically get
>people fired in other disciplines, but because they're just boyz, well,
>they
>were just kidding.....
>The level of sexual comments can be quite high - much higher than any other
>job I've been in......I mean I've heard some really offensive stuff coming
>out of some male techs some times......
>
>Often assertive women will get nailed (ie - fired, or tagged as being a
>dyke
>for being too assertive.....etc - you know the drill, I'm betting). If
>you're beautiful, 5'2" and submissive, that's perfect for a lot of these
>guys - but what that do for you in your career? The requirement for this
>job, I believe, is for a secure, professional and assertive person (notice
>I
>did not mention gender in my description).
>
>Yes, to some degree some men like diversity, but GOD FORBID that woman
>actually knows more than they do.........
>
>But having said all that, is it a good field for women? YES! There's NO
>reason we can't do the work, and this field, as you already have noted, is
>DESPARATE for female presence.......it's going to happen sooner or later,
>and the pay is decent. You're on the right track. PLEASE keep
>going..........
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Ms. Maria
>Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 12:15 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Cisco for Woman?
>
>
>Hello my friends,
>
>I have been looking for a job in Cisco field. I have earned CCNA, already
>have MCSE, and doing my CCNP now. While going for interviews, I sometime
>feel that this Routing and Swtiching environment is strictly man dominated.
>I have never seen a woman interviewing me for WAN job. Funny thing is that
>I am going to one institute from last couple of months and I am only one
>girl taking CCNP classes with 25+ men in my class. Sometimes, I sit back
>and
>think that if I have chosen a wrong profession?? Any advice from people
>who
>are already working in this field will be helpful. Is there any sex
>discrimination going on for these jobs?
>By the way, I am in USA this time.
>
>Thanks for the consideration!
>
>Maria
>
>
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