If it comes down to money.  Why not increase the rate?  I've remember when
the price for exam was only a G.  When they decided to raise the price,
peeps start to mumbleed and grumbleed how the test was getting so expensive,
but that didn't stop peeps from taking the test.  Raise it again if they
want to value there flagship cert.  Everyone would agree w/me that the value
of the cert has a lot more value than the value put in to obtained the cert.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carroll Kong" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: number of CCIE [7:70151]


> Hmmm that might work.  However, while you say someone good with
> concepts will do well, that is what I always thought earlier, until a
> good amount of members on this list and "in the real world" insisted
> that good knowledge of theory won't get you anywhere on the CCIE
> exam, only "hardened practice".
>
> Granted, you probably need a good mixture of both, and I feel strong
> theory is worth a heck of a lot more than just mindless practice.
> (and I mean really understanding it, not just saying "oh yeah it..
> um.. makes packets move).
>
> I guess we have to wonder what Cisco's ultimate goals are.  If they
> decreased the lab time and altered the exam to be more 'streamlined'
> and 'easier', why would they immediately step backwards?
>
> I think your ideas are very good in increasing the difficulty of the
> exam, but this is just going to be a big expensive variation war,
> somewhat like hackers vs developers and hackers vs virus scanner
> software companies.
>
> If Cisco wanted more CCIEs out in the field, why would they want to
> engage in this expensive battle anyway?  If they truly wanted to
> increase the value, why take the steps they have taken now such as
> decreasing the lab time and making it more streamlined?
>
> > That's a decent first step.
> >
> > But I would go further.  I would actually mix up the equipment.  Let me
> > explain.
> >
> > The final objection I have heard is that it will make test grading
harder.
> > For example, one person might get the "ISDN rack" and fail whereas he
might
> > have passed if he had gotten  the "switching rack", or something like
that,
> > and therefore a certain element of dumb luck enters into the fray. First
of
> > all, that already happens now - if you happen to get test questions on
> > subjects that you know very well, you are far more likely to pass than
if
> > you get test questions on subjects that you know poorly.  Second of all,
> > hey, welcome to the real world, where no 2 networks are alike.  Again,
if
> > your grounding in concepts is good, you should be able to handle the
> > variety.  Third, need I say it, such objections could be properly
addressed
> > through my old idea of relative scoring (but I digress....)
> >
> > Anyway, the point is, now I think it is time for Cisco to seriously
> consider
> > using different racks.  I see little reason besides inertia and
nostalgia
> > for all test racks to always be exactly the same.
> >
>
>
> -Carroll Kong




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