Oh, it's just getting fun.  It's not like we are flaming anyone.  We are
just expressing our opinions! ;-)

I'd agree with you.  No BGP for NA's.  And as far as who I'd want touching
my Internet facing router, it would depend on what type of business it was.
If it was a small business, where all they need is a default router that is
propagated, I sure as heck would think that an NA would be able to handle
that.  If it was a large business with say a semi-extensive private WAN with
multiple entries into the Internet, I'd definitely prefer at least a NP.  If
it was a company with dual ISP routing that incorporated BGP, then a NP
might be able to handle it, but I would definitely prefer an IE.  For ISP's,
anyone that would even think of touching the backbone routers I would hope
would be IE level, if not certified.

It's the experience that counts to me, not necessarily the cert level.
Heck, I only have my CCNA so far, but I'd hazard to guess that I have more
practical experience than a certain double CCIE that I know.

Fred Reimer - CCNA


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-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Please Help - CIDR - How the bits work [7:75050]

BLIMEY !!!

this is getting a little heated L+G`s .....

i personally believe that when i got my CCNA if i had been asked to 
configure BGP (even Basic) on an internet connecting router for a 
small-medium sized company...i would have run away screaming...

Ask yourselfs this there are three grade`s of Certifications at cisco

Associate
Profesisional
Expert

from a company manager`s point-of-view (no offence fred)

Whom would you prefer be touching your internet facing router ????...

yes i am aware that to most of us they don`t mean tuppence (i.e howard/pris)
but the plan truth is people NOT in the know rely on the badges


>From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" 
>Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Please Help - CIDR - How the bits work [7:75050]
>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:36:57 GMT
>
>At 11:32 PM +0000 9/9/03, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> >Dom wrote:
> >>
> >>  And one last point, No LAN is an island, why two IG(P)
> >>  protocols and no
> >>  EG(P) protocol?
> >>
> >>  A NA should at least a some understanding of how to connect to
> >>  the
> >>  outside world - when to use BGP and when not to.
> >
> >Default routing. Wouldn't we all be better off if CCNAs would stay away 
>from
> >BGP?? :-)
> >
> >Priscilla
>
>When fingerpointing in quite a number of external connectivity
>problems, I have often found de fault is due to the lack of default.
>Cisco hardly helps this by discriminating against static and default
>routes in the CCIE lab.
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