Buy a real one if you are planning on going for the CCIE.  You will need it. 
  You could rent the lines but it is like pouring money down the drain 
because you will not get it back.  You can resell your used simulator for 
the same as you paid for it after your done with it!

Bear in mind, the CCIE lab retest schedule is approaching 6 months.  If you 
fail it the first time you are going to have to rent those lines for quite a 
bit longer than you expected to originally.  With setup fee's and monthly 
charges you could pay up to $500.00 for six months. If you need them longer, 
keep adding monthly charges to that number!

BTW, with the inclusion of IPSec in the CCIE lab you may also want to invest 
in a telephone line simulator too.  Teltone makes a number of decent ones.

Expect to pay close to $1600.00 for a Teltone ISDN demonstrator, used or 
new, and the Telco sim will be between 200 and 500 depending on the model.

Most importantly for CCIE candidates, the sim products cannot do a fraction 
of the scenarios you will need to know for the CCIE.

Think of is as an insurance policy against lack of ISDN knowledge!


>From: Brian Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Brian Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Cthulu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: ISDN Simulator
>Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 07:46:22 -0500
>
>Hi Charles,
>
>I agree with Andy...check into the monthly rate of ISDN in your area, that
>may be the best
>way to go.
>
>A few months ago,  another engineer and I bought a ISDN simulator from ARCA
>Technologies. We decided upon ARCA mainly due to the fact that they have a
>2 port BRI
>simulator with built in NT1s. They were little more expensive than Teltone,
>but the unit has worked fine.
>
>I agree, its a hefty investment for your lab, and perhaps sharing the cost
>of the simulator
>may make it more affordable ?
>
>Good luck
>
>-Brian
>
>At 08:54 PM 01/07/2001 -0600, Cthulu wrote:
> >Hi,  all
> >
> >I know this has been discussed, and after spending my free time this 
>weekend
> >searching high and low for a reasonably priced ISDN simulator, I am 
>forced
> >to conclude there is no such beast.   EBAY is a bust thus far,  and the 
>best
> >price I have found is for a Teltone (www.teltone.com) ISDN simulator at
> >http://www.bigdcom.com/teleline.html. Big D is a Groupstudy recommended
> >site;  they sell the ISDN simulator about 1600 bucks, give or take some
> >change.
> >
> >Now to the crux of my dilemma:  do I or don't I?  That is, ask my 
>Mistress
> >for this for Christmas, Halloween, and so forth.  She is standing here
> >reading this, so I appreciate how wonderful she is! So beautiful with 
>great
> >taste in men!   Also, very heroic:  she kept me from drinking a coffee
> >flavored Slim Fast (we were out of beer).
> >
> >Before I approach the checkbook with hat in hand, is this best price?  I
> >mean, really?  Has anyone else had better luck?  I hate the thought of
> >spending 1600 bucks on a 100 bucks worth of wiring and chips.  Perhaps is 
>it
> >time for Groupstudy to form a buyer's union, where we can pool our money 
>and
> >buy in bulk at almost wholesale prices.  Good idea?  Bad idea?  Too much
> >headache potential?
> >
> >Luckily for me, Big D is in the Dallas area so I plan on there in person 
>and
> >talking to them about these simulators and their prices.  If interested, 
>I
> >will let the group know what happens.  If not, I'll keep mum.
> >
> >Flames, comments all welcome!
> >
> >Charles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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