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Poster: What are do you think of the responses you've received?
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Dan West
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 2:50 PM
To: Sam Adams; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
I interviewed at a State of CA networking position.
Level 1 was starting at 55K/year. Level 2 at 65K.
Level 1 work was basically running pings and
traceroutes, diagnosing some frame relay probs...
pretty straight-forward. I didn't get the position
though, because I have no experience with SNA/DLSW :P
...bummmer...
--- Sam Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ah, they tend to underpay most tech positions. But
> that might not be true
> in SAC A Tomato. But it is true in Silicon Valley
> and SF BA.
>
> But as far as retirement and generally lower
> stress...well that's a
> different story.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Dan West
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:12 AM
> To: Croyle, James; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
>
>
> It all depends on who you work for. I'm working for
> a
> company in Sacramento making good pay and I only
> currently have my CCNA with two years of hands-on.
> Although I do have intensive practical experience
> with
> Unix and Cisco routers.
>
> If you work for the state or your county, you can
> make
> a LOT of dough. They tend to overpay for most
> positions. If you work for some smaller companies,
> I've found that they will pay you much less for even
> more work.... Shop around.
>
>
> --- "Croyle, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Don't be disappointed with your CCNP, that's for
> > sure... Just don't
> > consider it the end all to getting that job. I
> > started with my company in
> > June 1999 with an MSCE and CCNA, neither of which
> I
> > attained with work
> > experience, one with school, the other self study.
> > I got a job setting up
> > small LANs for scanning projects, and then doing
> the
> > scanning along with the
> > others! Then, moved UP to the help desk!!!
> Didn't
> > even start there, is
> > what I am getting at. Got promoted in 2 months to
> > help desk supervisor by
> > doing a good job (I think), then moved to
> > engineering team in 6 months to
> > help design our new Cisco network because there
> were
> > only 2 other CCNAs
> > around to do it. In June of 2000 I attained my
> > CCNP, with some work
> > experience on the equipment and our test lab at
> > work. Now I would consider
> > myself a valuable member of our Network
> > Infrastructure team, but it didn't
> > happen overnight, and even though I wanted it to
> > happen, I really didn't
> > expect it to at this company based on where I
> > started.
> >
> > One more thought. There are those, including a
> very
> > senior Microsoft
> > Architect here, who still say I don't have enough
> > experience to go after my
> > CCIE, that it would not benefit myself, or the
> > company because even if I
> > attained it, I would not have enough years of
> > experience to back that cert.
> > Well to him, I said, I am not going to sit around
> 10
> > years until I have your
> > experience, I am going to study everyday, and get
> > involved with every
> > network problem and design issue I can to gain
> > experience faster in
> > troubleshooting methods, and seeing various levels
> > of problems. To that he
> > just shook his head and said with a smile... Kids
> > nowdays.. ;-) By the
> > way, I am 32. Not really a kid anymore. hehehehe
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: chris fong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 11:16 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Disappointed with ccnp!!
> >
> >
> > I don't know you personally, but I have some
> > suggestions for you to think about. Don't let that
> > certification go to your head. If you give the
> > impression to an employer that you deserve to have
> a
> > job because of your CCNP, you will not get hired.
> > Don't think that you are better than others
> because
> > of
> > your CCNP. Also, your personality and attitude
> that
> > you show during interviews is critical in landing
> > that
> > first job. Show that you can be a team player and
> > can
> > work well and get along with almost anyone. And
> > lastly, consider other entry level positions, such
> > as
> > help desk, because you don't have any actual work
> > experience. Employers don't really consider "lab"
> as
> > work experience. Hope this helps.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> >
> > --- park jeongwoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi group members.
> > > I need your help.
> > > I am having a hard time on finding a job.
> > > I recently got ccnp certification and looking
> for
> > > the
> > > entry level of job for network engineer.
> > > I am living in San Francisco, and graduated from
> > > college less than a year ago.
> > > I have less than a year of network experience
> that
> > I
> > > got from school computer lab.
> > > I had a harder time finding a job before I
> became
> > > ccnp. So I studied hard believing that ccnp
> would
> > > get
> > > me somewhere at least as a entry level network
> > > engineer. Now I am kind of confused and
> > disappointed
> > > with the fact that I am still having a hard time
> > > finding a job even with ccnp certification.
> > > I feel like I need more cisco certifications
> such
> > as
> > > ccda, ccdp.
> > > Would these certification ever help me find job?
> > > It is really discouraging that cisco
> certification
> > > doesn't help me much find a job at this point,
> > > because
> > > I am also pursuing ccie too. I have to ask
> myself
> > > what
> > > is the point of getting cisco certification.
> > > Lots of CCNAs are having a job. Why not ccnp?
> > >
> > > Could somebody tell me why it goes like this,
> and
> > > what
> > > I should do?
> > > Am I looking for wrong job?
> > >
> > > I will appreiciate your input.
> > >
> > > jeongwoo
> > >
> > >
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