>"Albert Lu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote,
>I can appreciate what the senior Microsoft Architect is saying, I'm 22 and
>this is the kind of impression alot of older guys are giving me. They don't
>say it, but you know it's there.
>
>I believe these people feel threaten by younger people coming up the ranks,
>who have been exposed to computers since they were kids. These old guys
>probably started their computing career from another field, and switched
>careers because of the money. We kids were always into computers because we
>loved it, and weren't concerned with monetary rewards.
Generalizing can get you in trouble. Certainly, there are people who
don't have networking skills comparable to people who grew up with
the technology.
But that's not a question necessarily of older versus younger. At
times, I see progress in humanity due to the observation that every
generation thinks it invented sex, but now each generation thinks it
invented networking.
While we didn't necessarily know to call it networking at the time,
I've certainly been doing it for more than 22 years. As a user, I
was on an interactive terminal to a UNIVAC 1108 around 1967. By 1970,
I was actually running a patient care medical "network" on a DEC
PDP-11, with an assortment of 110 through 1200 bps interactive
terminals on dial and dedicated lines, but also with distributed
PDP-8 instrument data acquisition computers. About the same time, I
worked on military command and control networks.
I built my first recognizable network control center in 1974,
supporting a metropolitan and national IBM network.
>
>
>
>----------
>> From: Croyle, James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
>> Date: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:30 AM
>>
>> Don't be disappointed with your CCNP, that's for sure... Just don't
>> consider it the end all to getting that job. I started with my company
>in
>> June 1999 with an MSCE and CCNA, neither of which I attained with work
>> experience, one with school, the other self study. I got a job setting
>up
>> small LANs for scanning projects, and then doing the scanning along with
>the
>> others! Then, moved UP to the help desk!!! Didn't even start there, is
>> what I am getting at. Got promoted in 2 months to help desk supervisor
>by
>> doing a good job (I think), then moved to engineering team in 6 months to
>> help design our new Cisco network because there were only 2 other CCNAs
>> around to do it. In June of 2000 I attained my CCNP, with some work
>> experience on the equipment and our test lab at work. Now I would
>consider
>> myself a valuable member of our Network Infrastructure team, but it
>didn't
>> happen overnight, and even though I wanted it to happen, I really didn't
>> expect it to at this company based on where I started.
>>
>> One more thought. There are those, including a very senior Microsoft
>> Architect here, who still say I don't have enough experience to go after
>my
>> CCIE, that it would not benefit myself, or the company because even if I
>> attained it, I would not have enough years of experience to back that
>cert.
>> Well to him, I said, I am not going to sit around 10 years until I have
>your
>> experience, I am going to study everyday, and get involved with every
>> network problem and design issue I can to gain experience faster in
>> troubleshooting methods, and seeing various levels of problems. To that
>he
>> just shook his head and said with a smile... Kids nowdays.. ;-) By the
>> way, I am 32. Not really a kid anymore. hehehehe
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: chris fong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 11:16 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: Disappointed with ccnp!!
>>
>>
>> I don't know you personally, but I have some
>> suggestions for you to think about. Don't let that
>> certification go to your head. If you give the
>> impression to an employer that you deserve to have a
> > job because of your CCNP, you will not get hired.
>> Don't think that you are better than others because of
>> your CCNP. Also, your personality and attitude that
>> you show during interviews is critical in landing that
>> first job. Show that you can be a team player and can
>> work well and get along with almost anyone. And
>> lastly, consider other entry level positions, such as
>> help desk, because you don't have any actual work
>> experience. Employers don't really consider "lab" as
>> work experience. Hope this helps.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>>
>> --- park jeongwoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Hi group members.
>> > I need your help.
>> > I am having a hard time on finding a job.
>> > I recently got ccnp certification and looking for
>> > the
>> > entry level of job for network engineer.
>> > I am living in San Francisco, and graduated from
>> > college less than a year ago.
>> > I have less than a year of network experience that I
>> > got from school computer lab.
>> > I had a harder time finding a job before I became
>> > ccnp. So I studied hard believing that ccnp would
>> > get
>> > me somewhere at least as a entry level network
>> > engineer. Now I am kind of confused and disappointed
>> > with the fact that I am still having a hard time
>> > finding a job even with ccnp certification.
>> > I feel like I need more cisco certifications such as
>> > ccda, ccdp.
>> > Would these certification ever help me find job?
>> > It is really discouraging that cisco certification
>> > doesn't help me much find a job at this point,
>> > because
>> > I am also pursuing ccie too. I have to ask myself
>> > what
>> > is the point of getting cisco certification.
>> > Lots of CCNAs are having a job. Why not ccnp?
>> >
>> > Could somebody tell me why it goes like this, and
>> > what
>> > I should do?
>> > Am I looking for wrong job?
>> >
>> > I will appreiciate your input.
>> >
>> > jeongwoo
>> >
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