The CCIE program does little to develop the skill set of a pure IP engineer in a ISP 
environment.  CCIE has little bearing in my opinion when candidate are interviewed for 
senior IP architectural positions.  CCIE is really an enterprise discipline.

Pete


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On 2/23/2001 at 9:20 AM Drew Simonis wrote:

>Brian wrote:
>> 
>> This really isn't true.  Lets look at some basic facts:
>> 
>> There are only ~6000 or so CCIE's in the world, possibly as many as 30%
>> are employed by cisco.
>> 
>> There are over 6000 ISP's in the US alone.
>> 
>> There are over 7000 AS's in the world.
>> 
>> My point is, that if most of your CCIE's work for cisco and big big
>> companies, then their are a ton of networks, complex networks, that don't
>> even have CCIE's at the healm.  Even a large company like UUnet may only
>> have a handfull of CCIE's.
>> 
>
>
>Also take into account the large number of CCIE's who make their
>wages at training companies, and who aren't in the field.  I know 
>that when I was with IBM Global Network Services, we had just 2 
>that I knew of...
>
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