In my opinion, CCIE is a test of ability of learning and using knowledge,
not a test of knowledge itself.
No matter a CCIE or not, you can be an expert in Wireless or Optical or
other arena, because you have been working on those stuff for a while and
you are following it. No body compares a ISP senior engineer who has no
certification to CCIE working in enterprise his/her whole life. But in my
mind as long as that guy is an CCIE, he should have no problem picking up
the job of the ISP senior engineer giving a short time.
Jack
""Mark Holloway"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> At Sprint we have a few CCIEs.. But not as many as you think - and we are
> the #1 reseller of Cisco equipment in the U.S.. I have put my CCIE on hold
> for now, since I know what CCIEs in Las Vegas earn versus what I make now.
> The problem is that in the real world, people start to become specialists,
> and my job title has me working in the field of IP Telephony as well as
> 802.11b WLANs. So, getting my CCIE right now won't do much. I may go for
> the CCIE Design later this year. But I recently left my old employer as a
> "Network Engineer" (designing/merging/expanding our network and
> troublshoting problems) and recently started at Sprint Long Distance doing
> Pre-Sales Engineering in 5 different states. My product range is: Nortel
> PBXs, Nortel Routers/Switches (there are more our there than you think!),
> Cisco AVVID product line, and Aironet product line. I've had experience
> with VoATM and VoFR at my last job, setting up tie lines from PBX to PBX
> over the WAN. IP Phones are new to me, but I'll be traveling to Ontario,
> Canada, to play at Nortel, and flying to North Carolina to play in
Sprint's
> AVVID lab .. oh yea, I'm going to some Cisco IP Telephony/Call Center
> training too. :-)
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Van Oene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:47 AM
> Subject: Re: CCIE salary
>
>
> > The CCIE program does little to develop the skill set of a pure IP
> engineer in a ISP environment. CCIE has little bearing in my opinion when
> candidate are interviewed for senior IP architectural positions. CCIE is
> really an enterprise discipline.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
> >
> > On 2/23/2001 at 9:20 AM Drew Simonis wrote:
> >
> > >Brian wrote:
> > >>
> > >> This really isn't true. Lets look at some basic facts:
> > >>
> > >> There are only ~6000 or so CCIE's in the world, possibly as many as
30%
> > >> are employed by cisco.
> > >>
> > >> There are over 6000 ISP's in the US alone.
> > >>
> > >> There are over 7000 AS's in the world.
> > >>
> > >> My point is, that if most of your CCIE's work for cisco and big big
> > >> companies, then their are a ton of networks, complex networks, that
> don't
> > >> even have CCIE's at the healm. Even a large company like UUnet may
> only
> > >> have a handfull of CCIE's.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >Also take into account the large number of CCIE's who make their
> > >wages at training companies, and who aren't in the field. I know
> > >that when I was with IBM Global Network Services, we had just 2
> > >that I knew of...
> > >
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