I agree with your sentiment but would extend it to say that anyone who has displayed
an ability to adapt to highly specific technical implementations, in this case related
to network design, should be able to adapt to the ISP environment. However, the key
issue it has to do with the time involved in the ramp up. My point was that on its
own, the CCIE certification doesn't automatically describe a short ramp up for all
individuals.
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On 2/23/2001 at 2:49 PM Jack Yu wrote:
>In my opinion, CCIE is a test of ability of learning and using knowledge,
>not a test of knowledge itself.
>
>No matter a CCIE or not, you can be an expert in Wireless or Optical or
>other arena, because you have been working on those stuff for a while and
>you are following it. No body compares a ISP senior engineer who has no
>certification to CCIE working in enterprise his/her whole life. But in my
>mind as long as that guy is an CCIE, he should have no problem picking up
>the job of the ISP senior engineer giving a short time.
>
>Jack
>
>
>""Mark Holloway"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> At Sprint we have a few CCIEs.. But not as many as you think - and we are
>> the #1 reseller of Cisco equipment in the U.S.. I have put my CCIE on hold
>> for now, since I know what CCIEs in Las Vegas earn versus what I make now.
>> The problem is that in the real world, people start to become specialists,
>> and my job title has me working in the field of IP Telephony as well as
>> 802.11b WLANs. So, getting my CCIE right now won't do much. I may go for
>> the CCIE Design later this year. But I recently left my old employer as a
>> "Network Engineer" (designing/merging/expanding our network and
>> troublshoting problems) and recently started at Sprint Long Distance doing
>> Pre-Sales Engineering in 5 different states. My product range is: Nortel
>> PBXs, Nortel Routers/Switches (there are more our there than you think!),
>> Cisco AVVID product line, and Aironet product line. I've had experience
>> with VoATM and VoFR at my last job, setting up tie lines from PBX to PBX
>> over the WAN. IP Phones are new to me, but I'll be traveling to Ontario,
>> Canada, to play at Nortel, and flying to North Carolina to play in
>Sprint's
>> AVVID lab .. oh yea, I'm going to some Cisco IP Telephony/Call Center
>> training too. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Van Oene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: CCIE salary
>>
>>
>> > The CCIE program does little to develop the skill set of a pure IP
>> engineer in a ISP environment. CCIE has little bearing in my opinion when
>> candidate are interviewed for senior IP architectural positions. CCIE is
>> really an enterprise discipline.
>> >
>> > Pete
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> > On 2/23/2001 at 9:20 AM Drew Simonis wrote:
>> >
>> > >Brian wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> This really isn't true. Lets look at some basic facts:
>> > >>
>> > >> There are only ~6000 or so CCIE's in the world, possibly as many as
>30%
>> > >> are employed by cisco.
>> > >>
>> > >> There are over 6000 ISP's in the US alone.
>> > >>
>> > >> There are over 7000 AS's in the world.
>> > >>
>> > >> My point is, that if most of your CCIE's work for cisco and big big
>> > >> companies, then their are a ton of networks, complex networks, that
>> don't
>> > >> even have CCIE's at the healm. Even a large company like UUnet may
>> only
>> > >> have a handfull of CCIE's.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Also take into account the large number of CCIE's who make their
>> > >wages at training companies, and who aren't in the field. I know
>> > >that when I was with IBM Global Network Services, we had just 2
>> > >that I knew of...
>> > >
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