The CCNA is far harder than any test one will encounter with a major in
Education, Anthropology, History, Business Management, etc. Do you really
think the dumbest CCNA isn't more knowledgable in many areas, one being
math, than your daughters first grade teacher?
Bottom line: Remember this: As long as HR employees are hired because
they are great looking babes, they will have no clue on talent. Certs give
them something tangible and simple that they can understand. Degrees do the
same.
A couple more points: I hear people say that certifications are expensive
you best study hard before paying. They are not. Take them 3 or 4 times
each, pay your $300 or $400 and enjoy your huge $5000+ raise and job
security. Don't postpone it. People a class in Art Appreciation at a
"quality university" is going to run you $300 to $400 and is worthless by
their own admission. You need the whole degree.
...and yes. CCIE's will triple. There were no books. Now there are.
Books make tests easy. That is what make Juniper's test so hard now. You
can't read the 12 to 15 they have listed as easily as you can one Sybex book
that is designed around the exam.
Finally, if you are very knowledgeable and dislike "paper certs". Please
put out a book that gets paper people up to par. Something to read after
the exam and before your first interview. I think it would be very helpful
to many, who have a desire but lack an entire network at home. Plus, if you
think people are gaining an edge on you because of certs. You'll be
"Published". That puts you in the upper-diety range. You can live a
lifetime on that.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Baron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply
>Has anyone noticed that people arguing the most that certs dont matter are
>the ones that haven't 'bothered' to get them.
>
>I know that isn't true for everyone... so don't flame me but... see where
>generalities get you! How shortsited can you be to simply make a blanket
>statement... certs don't prove anything... geez.
>
>Scott M. Baron
>CCNP, CCDP, MCP, CNA
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:30 AM
>To: The.Rock; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply
>
>
>"certs don't prove anything" ??? I'm not sure that I can agree with that
>statement. Certs IMHO represent an interest by the individual in the
subject
>matter, and a determined effort to undertake studies necessary to become
>more knowledgeable.
>
>Certainly, obtaining a cert. does not make one a guru. But it usually
>(albeit not all the time) indicates a person who has shown some
willingness
>to learn. I view the knowledge I gained by studying for my certs as a
>foundation to be built upon over the coming years. Perhaps I have only a
>passing or introductory knowledge of some subjects at this juncture -- but
I
>assume -- and I certainly hope that as every year passes, I will build
upon
>that foundation knowledge and at some point I will undergo a slow, but
>steady metamorphosis into a guru of sorts! But at this juncture with my
>certs, I would certainly agree that I have just enough knowledge to be
>dangerous! <smile>
>
>I would compare the cert study to obtaining academic and professional
>degrees. Certainly upon graduation, grads are not experts in any area,
but
>they possess the fundamentals upon which to build. A lawyer, for example,
>may indeed represent any survivors of a plane crash is his/her back yard
on
>the day he/she is admitted to the Bar, but law school graduation and
passing
>a Bar Examination DOES NOT indicate an expertise -- but it does indicate
the
>individual has the foundational knowledge and the potential to become an
>expert at some point in the future. I would submit that the same goes for
>physicians, accountants, architects, etc.
>
>I think that the real problem is how these certs. have been marketed.
>Instead of promising IMMEDIATE big bucks, the certs, should be an entry
>ticket into this career. Individuals who possess these certs should be
>respected for the time, effort and interest they have shown in studying
for
>and obtaining a cert. But whether they are PAPER CERTS is truly a
>mischaracterization. As I put forth above, every academic or professional
>degree is indeed initially a paper cert -- but with potential. IT folks
who
>obtain these certs by and large have the potential to succeed. Just as
>there are bright, average and incompetent lawyers, doctors and others, the
>same would hold true in our field. Some individuals in inately intuitive,
>without certs, and others -- the majority -- will become the average IT
>Joe/Jane who work day-to-day in this field. Certainly there will always
be
>the small numbers who are totally incompetent. But it is not because the
>certs are merely paper.
>
>That's my 2 cents.
>
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