ccna is a major accomplishment,
it teaches things like the
OSI
IP addressing/protocol
LAN/WAN concepts
IPX Protocol
bridging and switching concepts
routing concepts
all of which are not cisco specific
router ios configuration
router management
access lists
maybe queueing too
don't remember been a paper too long to remember if queueing is on the ccna
but i know it is on bcran just papered that last year
these, which are cisco specific
sounds like alot.
oh by the way most colleges will articulate a certification into some credit
hours. if you fight hard enough.
but that is just paper as was eloquently stated previously.
by the way my employer puts much value on certification almost as much as a
degree.
reason being i graduated HS in 80 college in 85 how relevant is that
compared to today's technology,
but my first cert is from 96 and my last is from 2000 with something to fall
in 2001 much more relevant
that is good enough for me.
Don
Mark Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> "The.Rock" wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> > While people here are
> > talking about CCNA like its some of major accomplishment.
> > CCIE=accomplishment. CCNA=not really worth the paper its printed on at
this
> > point. CCNA is a small piece of the puzzle. Come on people this isn't
the
> > whole enchilada!!! NEWSFLASH!!!!
>
> Newsflash back at ya, your opinions dont = truth, or deft analysis. I
> dont see ANY posts lauding the CCNA as the be all and end all of the
> certification world, OR any CCNA's claiming to be the uber-network-guru
> of this sector of the galaxy (or whatever), so who, exactly, is your
> longwinded rant targeted at?
>
> Since, regardless of your decade + of exp, you are not yet a CCNA, why
> dont you stop wasting time, and bandwidth, and run out and take the
> test? In fact, go ahead and take BSCN, BCMSN, BCRAN, and CIT to achieve
> CCNP.
>
> Oh, you say your not familiar with the IOS to the degree necessary to
> pass ICND 2.0. Well, then, guess what? You are deficient. At least with
> respect to Cisco reqs concerning certification. If you dont value a
> Cisco cert, or respect them, then why post here? I mean, whats your
> point, exactly? You've not added a scintilla of interesting technical
> info to the thread.
>
> Seems to me this is simply another troll to spread FUD. I half expect
> you will introduce juniper into the discussion soon.
>
> Cisco certs are cisco specific, just as Novell, M$, Vines (remember
> Street Talk, anyone, the 1st directory service?)etc. If you want a non
> vendor specific cert, get a CNX or equiv. If you simply want to rant
> concerning the deficiency of CCNA's, then consider this:
>
> How will you, and others, view that cert once you have achieved it?
> That's a rhetorical question, dont reply. But, dwell upon it. Will at
> least ONE CCNA out there (YOU) be worthy? Maybe there are a few more
> like YOU. If your company requires it, then be a good do bee, and get
> it. If not, then pretend it doesn't exist, to the extent that you can,
> unless unqualified CCNA candidates are constantly calling your boss, who
> is inclined to hire them, and put you out. If that is the case, well,
> you chose the company you work for...
>
> And you can tilt at windmills forever more about the dimwitted nature of
> folks who hire, and how they, HR, and 'technical' recruiters cant
> separate a knowledgeable candidate from a doorstop. But, its always been
> that way, and it always will be. Especially so in a field where the
> defacto, and actual standards change as often as they do in IT. So, your
> lament is for naught. All you can change is you. And, if thats what you
> are about, you will mitigate your frustrations with the world via the
> satisfaction you get from a job well done. If you are all about changing
> the world, then, I am glad you are not on my team.
>
> The 'NA cert is an intro level cert. Its that simple. No one here is
> claiming otherwise. In spite of your contrary opinion.
>
> No need to respond.
>
> Mark Mahoney
> CCNP CNE MCP
>
> >
> > ""Belt, Louie"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > If I gave you all of the manuals and engineering specs on a car and
told
> > you
> > > to study them and then tested you on every detail in those books and
you
> > > were able to pass the test would that prove anything?
> > >
> > > If I then gave you all of the tools and all of the parts to a car and
> > said
> > > "build it" and you successfully built it, and I then sent you away and
I
> > > broke the car (in several ways) and told you to come back and fix it
and
> > you
> > > were able to fix it would this prove anything?
> > >
> > > Obviously it would prove a lot. This is what the CCIE certfication is
> > like.
> > > You must study all of the networking manuals and know every detail and
> > pass
> > > a difficult exam to prove your knowledge. Then you are given all of
the
> > > tools and equipment you need and you must build an extremely complex
> > routing
> > > and switching network in a very short amount of time using very
limiting
> > > rules. If you succesfully complete the task, you then get to leave
while
> > > someone "breaks your network in any untold number of ways" you are
then
> > > told to fix it once again in a very limited time frame.
> > >
> > > If you can accomplish this, then you become a CCIE. I think the CCIE
> > > certification proves a lot. It proves you have the knowledge, the
ability
> > > and the troubleshooting skills. It also shows you can work under
pressure
> > to
> > > accomplish a goal in a limited time.
> > >
> > > But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong <grin>
> > >
> > > Louie Belt
> > > CCIE #7054
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: The.Rock
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: 3/19/01 11:32 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Reply to The Rock
> > >
> > > oh yeah one more thing...In case you forgot, certs don't prove
anything
> > > you really are an idiot if you think they "prove " something). The
only
> > > prove your ability to regurgitate info that you supposedly learned.
> > > Having
> > > the know how, and knowing how to use are two different things. Lets
say
> > > your
> > > 8 years old and I give you a bunch of craftsman tools, does that mean
> > > you
> > > know how to work on a car if someone said fix it? probably not. And
> > > there's
> > > my point. You have the tools, but do you really know how to use them,
> > > most
> > > newbys don't, although they have a clue ( or at least some do) they
are
> > > unsure. If you truly are experienced in every sense of the word, yes I
> > > believe that alone, can prove your qualification. I'll take a guy with
> > > "experience" anyday over someone who is certified and little
experience.
> > > Your the victim??? Of what ?? I didn't do it, nobody did anything to
> > > you,
> > > you make your own desicions, live with them. You must be a newbie
cause
> > > you
> > > certainly can't handle responsibility if your a "victim".
> > >
> > > _________________________________
> > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> >
> > _________________________________
> > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> _________________________________
> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
_________________________________
FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
