My thought is if you can get all the way through the CCIE Lab and all, you
are determined to do the job. How many CCIE's are out there? 8000+-? I would
say from the low numbers, this exam is not easy, I have been in the field
for 7 years and just started to get my Cisco certification. I feel if I
would have started the Cisco stuff years ago, I would have not made it. The
material now is still pretty difficult to understand on some days. But, I
think the difference is, I am trying to understand it and learn it, not just
get by. I want to know the stuff inside and out. I am far from that, I know
alot of people that can take the exam, cram all week, and pass. But when it
comes to real world experience, it is over for them. Lets just weed out the
bad and let them fall on there faces. I like to help people, but if I know
this person is only a paper CXXX then I am not going to help them, it is up
to us real engineers to put these paper guys in there place, let them fall
down and you come up behind them and clean up the mess and save the day!
Happy testing!
Brad Shifflett
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Micromenders, Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony van Ree [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:08 PM
To: Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
Hi,
My two bobs worth,
Any qualification is as good as the paper it is written on. In my
experience someone with an open mind, willing to learn, has acquired
knowledge, shares knowledge and works smart in an effort to acheive
excellence is what really counts.
The paper does indicate the person has at least seen the words and knows the
lingo, probably the acromymns and often has some understanding. I have seen
many a good technical person, well qualified, knowledgable and understanding
come copletely unglued when put in a situation the person was not familiar
with. The mark of the real expert is 'the real expert will seek, ask and
find' the details. He knows how to extract the details. Paper
qualifications particularly at a degree level indicates the person can
usually do this.
I understand the pride of having a bunch of letters after your name.
Personally I don't use them although I do have a copy of some of the certs I
have gained on my wall. These are for my pride not to show others.
I have lost the pride in my qualifications because some have them and do not
share, care or attempt to understand.
Teunis,
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia
PS. I did think it strange when I read something by a Dr. Icant Remember
the name CCIE.
On Tuesday, March 20, 2001 at 08:01:23 AM, Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI wrote:
> Bravo!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:22 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
>
> This issue is turning thisgs upside down from point of view.
>
> I would like to tell you my opinion. If CCNA, NP, DA, DP and IE written
> are not worth then your Bachelors and Graduate studies worth the same.
Just
> papers.
>
> I learn to configure a cisco router before knowing all the cisco stuff.
> I have a CCDA, CCNP and going for the complete set CCDA, CCNP and CCIE
> complete.
>
> I knew frame relay,atm, sna, dlsw, sdlc, ppp, ipx, switching, etc before
> taking any cisco course. I took all cisco traning path version 11.2 and
> just recently obtain my degrees and working for the big one.
>
> What will be your opinion Do I know something or I am just papers?
>
> You sould be carefull on your opinion about this things, all the knowledge
> since a long time ago has been paper, No one has achieve glory after years
> of practice and experience.
>
> I was thinking that you are trying to do the same that the shareowners are
> doing with the internet economy, you are devaluating the value of the
> Certifications,
> why don't you do the same with the college and and graduate degrees, they
> are very similar just studying and passing examns not real life thing
until
> you pass all the levels (semesters and big exam thesis).
>
> Giga Internetworking
>
> Fer Saldana
>
>
>
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