can we please take this to the JOB LIST??
thanks
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Hays"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC -Job Offer without Interview?? [7:2369]
> The reseller may be desperate for certified people which means they WILL
> take any warm
> body. But another aspect of this situation is that you need to take charge
> of your part
> of the interview - remember it's a two-party transaction. My advice -
Never
> take a job
> or promise to take a job without seeing the working environment and
meeting
> your boss
> and coworkers. In fact if the employer doesn't want to go through the
whole
> normal
> process you should politely insist on it - ask all the questions, etc. I
> speak from
> experience. I had a very lucrative and firm contract offer and start date
> over the phone
> about 3 years ago and I demanded a face-to-face plus a tour of the working
> environment.
> The interview was very disappointing and I turned down the offer.
>
> Jonathan
>
> "Howard C. Berkowitz" wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, you are running into something endemic to the DC area,
> > especially the Federal government. Agencies have head count
> > restrictions, but still need staffing. So, there have evolved a
> > class of brokers that rent out people to the using organizations.
> > The brokers often mark up your rate by 100% or more, although they do
> > have to float receivables for 60 days or more.
> >
> > Becoming a Cisco partner just needs the right certificated people,
> > which, at the lower level, could be the principals. As I remember,
> > though, continued partner status also means a certain level of sales.
> > A pure body shop won't have equipment sales. Unfortunately again,
> > it's often easier for government agencies to deal with a small
> > business reseller, perhaps under minority business 8(a) setasides --
> > they can just go make small purchases without complex procurement.
> >
> > Don't expect any real support from your direct employer, but keep an
> > open mind about the client. I spent three good solid years at the US
> > Labor Department as an ostensibly "temporary contractor," which is
> > where I really broke into system programming and networking. Some
> > clients exploit the system, but others recognize that it's really
> > their job to motivate the contractors and can be quite decent to
> > them. Good clients may find loopholes for such things as training --
> > they can't pay your salary to attend an offsite class, but they may
> > have in-house classes and let you "drop in" -- even with credit.
> >
> > >Hey Group,
> > >
> > >Thanks for all the input -- I really do appreciate it.
> > >
> > >Just to add a few facts to this -- the company that called me -- is a
> Cisco
> > >SILVER partner -- not simply a pure unadulterated head-hunter -- sort
of a
> > >hybrid (like EIGRP!! ).
> > >
> > >Of course it goes without saying that -- as one person said -- it's an
> > >on-the-job-interview. If I -- or any of the others who report on day 1
> > >aren't acceptable -- then we simply are not there on Day 2. But what
does
> > >it say about the Silver Partner?? Is this guy honest?? If he fails to
> > >properly screen the people he sends to the client -- isn't he -- at the
> very
> > >least -- intellectually dishonest?? And if that's true -- how would he
> treat
> > >his employees?? Would he promise the moon (e.g. oh yeah, paychecks
every
> two
> > >weeks) and then not come through??
> > >
> > >Who is our loyalty to go towars?? The client -- who we know is being
given
> > >less than bargained for -- or the guy who's paying for our salary?? I
> > >already know the practical answer -- but somewhere in those Cisco books
we
> > >all study -- I'm sure it also says that we are to have honesty and
> integrity
> > >in our dealings with clients. Doesn't it?????? Oh well. . . .
> > >
> > >Thanks again to all of you for your time in answering.
> > >
> > >Gerg Macaulay
> > >Oldest CCNP/DP on Earth (really!!!)
> > >Lifetime member of AARP
> > >Retired Attorney/Law Professor
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > >Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > >Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 2:38 PM
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC -Job Offer without Interview?? [7:2369]
> > >
> > >
> > >I think it would be a mistake to take a job without an in-person
> interview.
> > >I did it once. My boss turned out to be an (expletive deleted).
> > >
> > >Priscilla
> > >
> > >At 04:58 AM 4/28/01, you wrote:
> > >>Gd' Day Everyone,
> > >>
> > >>I need some input (comments, criticisms, enlightenment, suggestions,
> etc.)
> > >>rather quickly. I'm in the DC metro area. Someone grabbed my resume
off
> > >>Monster and called me two weeks ago -- asked NO technical questions --
> and
> > >>basically gave me a brief synopsis of his company -- cnfirmed my
salary
> > >>requirements -- and said he would "circulate my resume to others in
his
> > >>company" and "if there was interest, he'd get back to me."
> > >>
> > >>Last nite -- Friday 4/27 at about 8:00 p.m., he calls again -- asks
only
> if
> > >>I'm available -- and then says I can report to work on Tuesday 5/1.
> Again,
> > >>no technical questions -- simply confirmed my salary requirements --
and
> > >>simply wanted me to FAX a copy of my certs to him. Nothing else.
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> Jonathan Hays
> Acropolis Systems, Inc.
> (408) 935-3016
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