Jason - I heard that Willie's latest passion is hillbilly music...right
after filling potholes and tossing the homeless out of GG Park ;-)
-e-
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Roysdon
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: CCIE depreciation in 2 years [7:1882]
> Heh, interesting. Of course, my friend is a white oakie who likes his
> country without all that new-fangled hipness (I say stuff like that to
tease
> him). You know, with a banjo, and no drums! Somehow I don't think he has
> any special connections there.
>
> --
> Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+
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>
>
>
> ""EA Louie"" wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > lmao... what timing for that story to come out, just when Jason's
talking
> > about his buddy...
> >
> > -e-
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: adam lee
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:17 PM
> > Subject: RE: CCIE depreciation in 2 years [7:1882]
> >
> >
> > > Are you sure he's not Willie Brown's friend?
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2001/04/30/MN165362.DTL
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 6:03 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: CCIE depreciation in 2 years [7:1882]
> > >
> > >
> > > My friend was hired for the City/County of SF for $96K/year 3 months
ago
> > > with just his CNE. Plus they bought out the rest of his $150K
contract
> > with
> > > his previous employer, and paid for all the training he owned his
former
> > > employer (he'd been working exclusively for this customer anyway for
the
> > > last 6 mos.)
> > >
> > > Granted, he knows ZEN and can image every PC on their entire network
in
> 15
> > > minutes and replaced 5 help-desk folks who used to do what ZEN does in
a
> > few
> > > clicks of a button (they still kept a few screwdrivers to replace
> > hardware).
> > > And that's just the eye-candy stuff that his manager likes to show
off,
> > he's
> > > got a solid years as a CNE under his belt (and not for mom-and-pop
> > networks,
> > > but for large enterprise clients) plus a year as an understudy before.
> > >
> > > Of course, this guy is sharp as a TAC (pun-intended). He'll pick up
his
> > > MCSE 2000 by the end of the year if he applies himself (he did the
CNE5
> in
> > 3
> > > months of self-study and building his own servers, plus hands-on
> > experience
> > > as an understudy to some of our ECNE/MCNE's). That is, if he ever
goes
> > > home. Heh, he even keeps a cot and a change of clothes at the office
> for
> > > those late nights.
> > >
> > > The funniest thing is that his house cost less than 10 months of his
> gross
> > > salary. But then he lives out in sticksville (but they do have
> > > cablemodems).
> > >
> > > I dunno, I find it kinda funny because he's the guy that came over
with
> > RH5
> > > one day two years ago and said, "Hey, you wanna install this?" and we
> > > proceeded to waste the night away and piss off both of our Wives.
> Hehee.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+
> > > List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ""Brian"" wrote in message
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Novell certification, let's look at what kind of jobs that gets you.
> > > >
> > > > 1 a job at a company which is migrating from Novell to NT, and will
> let
> > > > you go when the transition is complete.
> > > >
> > > > 2 a job at a company that is too cheap to replace its legacy
mishmash
> > > > network.
> > > >
> > > > I'll pass either way.
> > > >
> > > > Brian "Sonic" Whalen
> > > > Success = Preparation + Opportunity
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Donald B Johnson jr wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The Grand dad of all certs and now it is sneared at.
> > > > > I am not working on a novell network so I let that slide at 4.11.
> > never
> > > > up'd
> > > > > to 5
> > > > > Don
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Ronnie Poon"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 10:18 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: CCIE depreciation in 2 years [7:1882]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > How about Novell CNE. It also have a same thing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Donald B Johnson jr wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah I got a mcse in 96 and thought the same thing when it
> > happened
> > > to
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > program. OH well!!!!!!!! I still want to be part of the
swelling
> > > ranks.
> > > > > You
> > > > > > > could drop out and help us out though :>).
> > > > > > > Don
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Tennesee Stud"
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:28 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: CCIE depreciation in 2 years [7:1882]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was wondering what others thought about the CCIE. It
seems
> to
> > > me
> > > > > now
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > there are so many books and training materials geared
towards
> > the
> > > > > CCIE,
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > is making it easier to obtain the CCIE. With a steady diet
of
> > the
> > > > > right
> > > > > > > > books ( which everyone seems to agree on) and hands on time
> with
> > > > > routers
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > switches ( which to me is the only obstacle), it does not
seem
> > as
> > > > > > > difficlut
> > > > > > > > as it proclaimed (and I think most people see that).My
opinion
> > is
> > > the
> > > > > > CCIE
> > > > > > > > will be devalued considerably in the next few years (As far
> as
> > > > salary
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > concerned as well as prestige) As others have pointed out,
> the
> > > CCIE
> > > > > > > > population is growing at a faster rate (routing and
> switching),
> > > and
> > > > > even
> > > > > > > > though the demand is high for the CCIE now, I think in 2
years
> > > there
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > a difference in the way the industry views CCIE's....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > .02 thats all
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tennesee Stud
> > > > > > > >
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