I respectfully disagree with some of your assertions. The CCIE cert does
demonstrate that you have an ability to troubleshoot a network, it also
demonstrates your ability to build a complex network without leaving out the
details. That's why the CCIE is different from almost any other cert. The
lab goes past theory and forces practical application of that theory.
Additionally, it forces you to demonstrate an ability to handle unknown
scenarios in a timely manner and under extreme pressure.
As for my opinion of whether it's worth it - I must say it absolutely is!!
Louie Belt
CCIE #7054
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Kane, Christopher A.
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Is it really worth it? "CCIE" [7:5725]
I agree that a Cert is not necessarily who you are. I also agree that a Cert
doesn't mean you can troubleshoot nor does it mean that you are capable of
designing something that is clean and easily supportable. But, I feel the
Cert does have a value. It shows that you took the time to learn what
someone (presumably the vendor) suggested that you learn in order to better
understand the capabilities of their product. It shows that you've made the
effort to learn things that you don't normally deal with on a day-to-day
basis. If you are willing to constantly learn and grow not only adds to your
value as an employee, but also as a person.
Further, for those of us who did not finish school, it hopefully keeps the
recruiter from shutting the door in our face. I have had a great time in the
4 years that I have been in this field. I've received recognition from not
only my peers and immediate management, but also from senior directors. I've
gained vast amounts of experience, starting at the NOC level and working up
through the higher levels of support and engineering. Experience along with
the Cert/s, should allow me to at least talk to the IT group of a potential
new employer so that I may demonstrate what I am capable of. I've seen
things on this list that concern me. Such as HR personnel preferring to talk
to a CCNA rather than a CCNP because they've been told to find the CCNA and
are not aware of what a CCNP is. Until I can finish school, my chances of
gaining new employment (should I seek it) could be greatly diminished
without something else to show, such as the Cert.
A degree doesn't guarantee that you are a quality employee, nor does a Cert.
But I need all the ammo I can amass should the time come that I have to
polish the resume and start knocking on doors. Maybe the CCIE does contain
some outdated material and maybe it could use some tweaking, regardless, my
major concern lies on the dependence of Cisco to help maintain that
certification on the level of respect that it currently holds.
Thanks for the thread, this is a great discussion. I enjoy hearing the
opinions of other technicians/engineers.
Christopher A. Kane, CCNP
Senior Network Control Tech
Router Ops Center/Hilliard NOC
UUNET
(614)723-7877
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is it really worth it? "CCIE" [7:5725]
My $.02.
I have always been disenchanted with the
certifications offered and I would like to believe
that some others in the industry feel the same. This
may be the case here.
Basically, look at the certification tests. Many are
old, poorly written, irrelevant to production
environments, simple (low percentage of redundancy or
complex scenario questions) and an overall difficulty
not related to technological issues but grammar,
construct and marketing. As such, passing proves that
you can do one thing - pass the test. It doesn't mean
that you can troubleshoot, design, deploy or manage
anything. Is Erlang-B important in routing and
switching? Is knowing the port density on the Z series
router valuable when the product was replaced two
years ago?
It's not sour grapes - I'm certified. But, its on the
last page of my resume, and its not who I am. I'm me,
and I happen to be certified. Its not I'm certified
(along with X others) and I'm one of many.
Also, I know a lot of people who will not disclose
their certs, including CCIE, unless asked. It's being
humble.
I don't think that anyone is incapable of passing the
X test/exam. Its a matter of time, money, pain and
desire. A lot of great people in this industry are
great because they are good - not because a test told
the world that they were.
--- Donald B Johnson jr
wrote:
> I don't agree, people who write technically, their
> reputation is centered
> around how accurate their writing is, and where
> mistakes are made how
> quickly they fix those errors. I don't see where
> failing a test, would
> invalidate anyone's writing or lessen their
> reputation. The quoted
> explanation may be true I am not disputing that, it
> probably is a factor, I
> just think it is unfounded.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Schwantz"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:07 AM
> Subject: Re: Is it really worth it? "CCIE" [7:5725]
>
>
> > Did you know that many of the top Cisco engineers
> are not CCIE qualified?
> I
> > have always wondered why people like Sam Halabi
> and the likes do not get
> > certified.A Cisco employee told me that these
> people have everything to
> lose
> > and nothing to gain if they take the CCIE exam. If
> they refrain from
> taking
> > the tests, their reputation stays intact. If they
> take the test and fail,
> > people will start to question their credibility.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > ""Morabito Joe"" wrote in message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I want to ask a question to those already CCIEs.
> Is it really worth it?
> > > Don't get me wrong, I love the work and the
> learning. I actually plan
> to
> > > take the lab by july of next year, but how has
> your life changed since
> > > obtaining your ccie? Was it what you expected?
> Better or worse?
> > >
> > > Please share your life experience after reaching
> the big goal.
> Personally
> > I
> > > can't wait to achieve CCIE status.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Joe Morabito
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