Yes, just like military experience, the certifications
can augment the 'experience' one brings to the table.
But, if I read correctly, we're saying that the cert.
gets you in the door, just as a BA or MBA would...
--- "Kane, Christopher A."
wrote:
> I agree that a Cert is not necessarily who you are.
> I also agree that a Cert
> doesn't mean you can troubleshoot nor does it mean
> that you are capable of
> designing something that is clean and easily
> supportable. But, I feel the
> Cert does have a value. It shows that you took the
> time to learn what
> someone (presumably the vendor) suggested that you
> learn in order to better
> understand the capabilities of their product. It
> shows that you've made the
> effort to learn things that you don't normally deal
> with on a day-to-day
> basis. If you are willing to constantly learn and
> grow not only adds to your
> value as an employee, but also as a person.
>
> Further, for those of us who did not finish school,
> it hopefully keeps the
> recruiter from shutting the door in our face. I have
> had a great time in the
> 4 years that I have been in this field. I've
> received recognition from not
> only my peers and immediate management, but also
> from senior directors. I've
> gained vast amounts of experience, starting at the
> NOC level and working up
> through the higher levels of support and
> engineering. Experience along with
> the Cert/s, should allow me to at least talk to the
> IT group of a potential
> new employer so that I may demonstrate what I am
> capable of. I've seen
> things on this list that concern me. Such as HR
> personnel preferring to talk
> to a CCNA rather than a CCNP because they've been
> told to find the CCNA and
> are not aware of what a CCNP is. Until I can finish
> school, my chances of
> gaining new employment (should I seek it) could be
> greatly diminished
> without something else to show, such as the Cert.
>
> A degree doesn't guarantee that you are a quality
> employee, nor does a Cert.
> But I need all the ammo I can amass should the time
> come that I have to
> polish the resume and start knocking on doors. Maybe
> the CCIE does contain
> some outdated material and maybe it could use some
> tweaking, regardless, my
> major concern lies on the dependence of Cisco to
> help maintain that
> certification on the level of respect that it
> currently holds.
>
> Thanks for the thread, this is a great discussion. I
> enjoy hearing the
> opinions of other technicians/engineers.
>
> Christopher A. Kane, CCNP
> Senior Network Control Tech
> Router Ops Center/Hilliard NOC
> UUNET
> (614)723-7877
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:01 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Is it really worth it? "CCIE" [7:5725]
>
>
> My $.02.
>
> I have always been disenchanted with the
> certifications offered and I would like to believe
> that some others in the industry feel the same. This
> may be the case here.
>
> Basically, look at the certification tests. Many are
> old, poorly written, irrelevant to production
> environments, simple (low percentage of redundancy
> or
> complex scenario questions) and an overall
> difficulty
> not related to technological issues but grammar,
> construct and marketing. As such, passing proves
> that
> you can do one thing - pass the test. It doesn't
> mean
> that you can troubleshoot, design, deploy or manage
> anything. Is Erlang-B important in routing and
> switching? Is knowing the port density on the Z
> series
> router valuable when the product was replaced two
> years ago?
>
> It's not sour grapes - I'm certified. But, its on
> the
> last page of my resume, and its not who I am. I'm
> me,
> and I happen to be certified. Its not I'm certified
> (along with X others) and I'm one of many.
>
> Also, I know a lot of people who will not disclose
> their certs, including CCIE, unless asked. It's
> being
> humble.
>
> I don't think that anyone is incapable of passing
> the
> X test/exam. Its a matter of time, money, pain and
> desire. A lot of great people in this industry are
> great because they are good - not because a test
> told
> the world that they were.
>
>
>
> --- Donald B Johnson jr
> wrote:
> > I don't agree, people who write technically, their
> > reputation is centered
> > around how accurate their writing is, and where
> > mistakes are made how
> > quickly they fix those errors. I don't see where
> > failing a test, would
> > invalidate anyone's writing or lessen their
> > reputation. The quoted
> > explanation may be true I am not disputing that,
> it
> > probably is a factor, I
> > just think it is unfounded.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Schwantz"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: Is it really worth it? "CCIE"
> [7:5725]
> >
> >
> > > Did you know that many of the top Cisco
> engineers
> > are not CCIE qualified?
> > I
> > > have always wondered why people like Sam Halabi
> > and the likes do not get
> > > certified.A Cisco employee told me that these
> > people have everything to
> > lose
> > > and nothing to gain if they take the CCIE exam.
> If
> > they refrain from
> > taking
> > > the tests, their reputation stays intact. If
> they
> > take the test and fail,
> > > people will start to question their credibility.
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > ""Morabito Joe"" wrote in message
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I want to ask a question to those already
> CCIEs.
> > Is it really worth it?
> > > > Don't get me wrong, I love the work and the
> > learning. I actually plan
> > to
> > > > take the lab by july of next year, but how has
> > your life changed since
> > > > obtaining your ccie? Was it what you
> expected?
> > Better or worse?
> > > >
> > > > Please share your life experience after
> reaching
> > the big goal.
> > Personally
> > > I
> > > > can't wait to achieve CCIE status.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Joe Morabito
> > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
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>
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