This has been a great thread. Can anyone elaborate on how their life has
changed since getting the CCIE? Did offers come piling in, did you get
promoted, did you have to job search a lot?
Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Padjen" >
To: >
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:19 AM
Subject: RE: Is it really worth it? "CCIE" [7:5725]
> Louie -
>
> First congratulations. I think that, from what I know
> of the lab, there is a greater disconnect between the
> items on the lab and the real-world than your posting
> would reflect. This is not to say that there is no
> coorelation - rather it is thinner than some of us
> would like. I'm embarrased when CCIEs can't explain
> how to use the ARP and CAM tables to find a top
> talker, or when they can't implement redundancy in
> OSPF areas. The ones who can typically report that the
> lab (and its prep) had little to do with their
> knowledge in these areas. No exam can be everything,
> and I agree completely that the CCIE is one of the
> better ones, but I won't hire ANYONE because of the
> letters after their name - CCIE included. It's
> impressive, but only within the context of the
> challenge of the exam.
>
>
> --- Louie Belt wrote:
> > I respectfully disagree with some of your
> > assertions. The CCIE cert does
> > demonstrate that you have an ability to troubleshoot
> > a network, it also
> > demonstrates your ability to build a complex network
> > without leaving out the
> > details. That's why the CCIE is different from
> > almost any other cert. The
> > lab goes past theory and forces practical
> > application of that theory.
> > Additionally, it forces you to demonstrate an
> > ability to handle unknown
> > scenarios in a timely manner and under extreme
> > pressure.
> >
> > As for my opinion of whether it's worth it - I must
> > say it absolutely is!!
> >
> > Louie Belt
> > CCIE #7054
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Kane, Christopher A.
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:08 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Is it really worth it? "CCIE" [7:5725]
> >
> >
> > I agree that a Cert is not necessarily who you are.
> > I also agree that a Cert
> > doesn't mean you can troubleshoot nor does it mean
> > that you are capable of
> > designing something that is clean and easily
> > supportable. But, I feel the
> > Cert does have a value. It shows that you took the
> > time to learn what
> > someone (presumably the vendor) suggested that you
> > learn in order to better
> > understand the capabilities of their product. It
> > shows that you've made the
> > effort to learn things that you don't normally deal
> > with on a day-to-day
> > basis. If you are willing to constantly learn and
> > grow not only adds to your
> > value as an employee, but also as a person.
> >
> > Further, for those of us who did not finish school,
> > it hopefully keeps the
> > recruiter from shutting the door in our face. I have
> > had a great time in the
> > 4 years that I have been in this field. I've
> > received recognition from not
> > only my peers and immediate management, but also
> > from senior directors. I've
> > gained vast amounts of experience, starting at the
> > NOC level and working up
> > through the higher levels of support and
> > engineering. Experience along with
> > the Cert/s, should allow me to at least talk to the
> > IT group of a potential
> > new employer so that I may demonstrate what I am
> > capable of. I've seen
> > things on this list that concern me. Such as HR
> > personnel preferring to talk
> > to a CCNA rather than a CCNP because they've been
> > told to find the CCNA and
> > are not aware of what a CCNP is. Until I can finish
> > school, my chances of
> > gaining new employment (should I seek it) could be
> > greatly diminished
> > without something else to show, such as the Cert.
> >
> > A degree doesn't guarantee that you are a quality
> > employee, nor does a Cert.
> > But I need all the ammo I can amass should the time
> > come that I have to
> > polish the resume and start knocking on doors. Maybe
> > the CCIE does contain
> > some outdated material and maybe it could use some
> > tweaking, regardless, my
> > major concern lies on the dependence of Cisco to
> > help maintain that
> > certification on the level of respect that it
> > currently holds.
> >
> > Thanks for the thread, this is a great discussion. I
> > enjoy hearing the
> > opinions of other technicians/engineers.
> >
> > Christopher A. Kane, CCNP
> > Senior Network Control Tech
> > Router Ops Center/Hilliard NOC
> > UUNET
> > (614)723-7877
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:01 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Is it really worth it? "CCIE" [7:5725]
> >
> >
> > My $.02.
> >
> > I have always been disenchanted with the
> > certifications offered and I would like to believe
> > that some others in the industry feel the same. This
> > may be the case here.
> >
> > Basically, look at the certification tests. Many are
> > old, poorly written, irrelevant to production
> > environments, simple (low percentage of redundancy
> > or
> > complex scenario questions) and an overall
> > difficulty
> > not related to technological issues but grammar,
> > construct and marketing. As such, passing proves
> > that
> > you can do one thing - pass the test. It doesn't
> > mean
> > that you can troubleshoot, design, deploy or manage
> > anything. Is Erlang-B important in routing and
> > switching? Is knowing the port density on the Z
> > series
> > router valuable when the product was replaced two
> > years ago?
> >
> > It's not sour grapes - I'm certified. But, its on
> > the
> > last page of my resume, and its not who I am. I'm
> > me,
> > and I happen to be certified. Its not I'm certified
> > (along with X others) and I'm one of many.
> >
> > Also, I know a lot of people who will not disclose
> > their certs, including CCIE, unless asked. It's
> > being
> > humble.
> >
> > I don't think that anyone is incapable of passing
> > the
> > X test/exam. Its a matter of time, money, pain and
> > desire. A lot of great people in this industry are
> > great because they are good - not because a test
> > told
> > the world that they were.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Donald B Johnson jr
> > wrote:
> > > I don't agree, people who write technically, their
> > > reputation is centered
> > > around how accurate their writing is, and where
> > > mistakes are made how
> > > quickly they fix those errors. I don't see where
> > > failing a test, would
> > > invalidate anyone's writing or lessen their
> > > reputation. The quoted
> > > explanation may be true I am not disputing that,
> > it
> > > probably is a factor, I
> > > just think it is unfounded.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kevin Schwantz"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:07 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Is it really worth it? "CCIE"
> > [7:5725]
> > >
> > >
> > > > Did you know that many of the top Cisco
> > engineers
> > > are not CCIE qualified?
> > > I
> > > > have always wondered why people like Sam Halabi
> > > and the likes do not get
> > > > certified.A Cisco employee told me that these
> > > people have everything to
> > > lose
> > > > and nothing to gain if they take the CCIE exam.
> > If
> > > they refrain from
> > > taking
> > > > the tests, their reputation stays intact. If
> > they
> > > take the test and fail,
> > > > people will start to question their credibility.
> > > >
> > > > Kevin
> > > >
> > > > ""Morabito Joe"" wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Hi,
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
> =====
> Robert Padjen
>
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