Well Eve, the glass ceiling and where a woman's place stigma is very
prevalent in big established companies. I have female friends that work
in the "corporate IT world" and no matter where they go it's all the
same. Some not as bad as others but the old dogs from the IBM error just
can except that a woman can do networking just as good if not better
then a lot of men. One of them even told her they could not promote her
because it would mean dealing with a lot of Japanese and Chinese
clients, and in business that dog will not hunt with these groups so
they would have to promote a man.
In the integrator and ASP/ISP/.com world I have found women are greatly
appreciated. We hired a female engineer and she fit like a glove. Every
single guy from the help desk to the CEO has the utmost respect for her
and is never shy to go to her and ask a Q if they think she may know.
Take your test, know your stuff, show your worth.
-----Original Message-----
From: jap_e [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
Good question. I'm still trying to find out why.
Perhaps I'm just sick & tired of my colleagues looking down upon my
capabilities (being a female in this industry tends to be belittled by
others,
you see, esp in my part of the world.) Even the examination centers
officers
are puzzled to see me taking Cisco exams, when they would expect only
guys to
do such things.
I'm being treated like a female clerk at the system integrator firm
where I
worked, being excluded out of all technical discussions because the guys
just
think "gee what do YOU know about this router/switch/firewall thing??"
(For
your reference, I've got a degree in Electrical Engineering, degree in
Commerce, MCSE, etc etc). Is sexual discrimation prevalent everywhere
in
this
IT industry, or just at my place?
Guess I took my CCNP simply out of pride, just to show that "whatever
you
guys
can do, I can do too."
And perhaps, out of pride too, I will take my CCIE.
Regards, Eve
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeroen Timmer
To: 'jap_e'
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
Why even bother to be CCNP or CCIE when you never touch a router ?!?!
It's not my concern what you do, or don't, but it just looked funny to
me.
Gaining CCNP without playing around with routers and stuff ? Why you
wanna
become CCNP ?
grtz,
JT
-----Original Message-----
From: jap_e [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 2:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
The answer is Yes, you can be a paper CCNP.
I just turned CCNP last week and I have never touched a router before.
Have
never logged into a router, not used any router simulator software.
(Yes I
know how a router looked like from the pictures I've seen.) Neither did
i
cheat by using brain dumps.
All the information for passing the exams only came from the 4 Sybex
books
(routing, switching, support, RA) Not trying to be proud here, but a
paper
CCNP is possible.
Will take my written CCIE soon. As for the lab exam, hmm... we shall
see...
Cheers, Eve
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Supino
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:02 AM
Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
Consider them rolled.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf
Of
B.J. Wilson
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 5:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
I heard that cert was still in Draft stage.
(insert collective eye-roll here.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Supino"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
> Nice Chuck. Don't forget to add CFTA(Certified Flush Toilet
Administrator),
> and MCBD(Miller Certified Beer Drinker).
>
> :)
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 3:22 PM
> To: Christopher Supino; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of
> Christopher Supino
> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 12:18 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
>
> When did CCIE Written become a certification? I take serious issue
with
> engineers who do this. It only adds to the cheapening of the cert.
Pass
your
> lab, get your number, call yourself a CCIE. Til then, you are a
CCNP,
CCDP.
> My two cents.
>
> CL: about the same time the CCNP 2.0 became a certification. Some
people
> will do anything to make themselves look better
>
> Chuck
> primary school diploma, high school diploma, Universal Life Church
minister
> Costco GoldStar Member, United Mileage Plus member, Calif. State
AAA
member
> should I join the NRA and look tough too? ;->
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of
> ahmed adil
> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 1:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
>
>
> Just cant do it without a router
>
> Ahmed
> CCIE Written CCNP CCDP MCSE
>
> ""Dan Faulk"" wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Having recently just passed CCNP this year I will say you must
have a
> > Router.
> > The reason is that the prescribed rituals must be performed in
front
of
> the
> > Router.
> > Without a Router the powerful spirit of routing, BGPOSPF, wont
bless
your
> > efforts and even if you do pass all knowledge will be removed
from
you
> > within 2 months. Some have said scrificing your most valuable
possesion
> > before the router helps. I give it my time which seemed to work
well.
> Others
> > have given the Router spirit money, bought it accessories, even
food
but
> so
> > far time works best.
> > Hope this helps and smile cause TGIF!!
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf
Of
D
> > Rick
> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:57 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18107]
> >
> >
> > Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? I'm doing practice
test
from
> > Boson and doing the Sybex study guide? Is that sufficient? Do
I
need
to
> be
> > in front of a router?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Rick D
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