Ooops. No offence meant to the Microsoft Certified Professionals! ;-) I
guess I'm showing my age. In my day, MCP meant male chauvinist pig. It's
such a rude phrase that I abbreviate it. But it does apply, so I still use
it (just abbreviated.)
Priscilla
At 02:10 PM 9/5/01, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
>When I started in the industry in 1980, I would say that about 5% of the
>men I encountered were MCPs. I expected that to change, but it didn't. In
>2001, I would say that still about 5% of the men I work with are MCPs. They
>are prejudiced against women. The word comes from pre and judge. They pre
>judge me and make assumptions that I'm not technical. Proving them wrong
>doesn't work in some cases. Some of them continue to judge me based on body
>parts rather than technical skills, and they don't listen to me. If they
>don't listen, I can't prove them wrong. Oh, well. These days I just ignore
>the MCPs and move on. ;-)
>
>At least it's only 5%. In the 1950s it would have been much worse, and it
>sounds like it's still worse in some parts of the world. I think it will
>change, at least to the point that the MCPs are a very small majority.
>(Five percent may be a constant. ;-)
>
>Certifications are definitely a good way to avoid some of the pre-judging.
>Go for it, Eve! Good luck to you.
>
>Priscilla
>
>
>At 12:35 PM 9/5/01, Steve Smith wrote:
> >Well Eve, the glass ceiling and where a woman's place stigma is very
> >prevalent in big established companies. I have female friends that work
> >in the "corporate IT world" and no matter where they go it's all the
> >same. Some not as bad as others but the old dogs from the IBM error just
> >can except that a woman can do networking just as good if not better
> >then a lot of men. One of them even told her they could not promote her
> >because it would mean dealing with a lot of Japanese and Chinese
> >clients, and in business that dog will not hunt with these groups so
> >they would have to promote a man.
> >
> >In the integrator and ASP/ISP/.com world I have found women are greatly
> >appreciated. We hired a female engineer and she fit like a glove. Every
> >single guy from the help desk to the CEO has the utmost respect for her
> >and is never shy to go to her and ask a Q if they think she may know.
> >
> >Take your test, know your stuff, show your worth.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: jap_e [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:54 AM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
> >
> >
> >Good question. I'm still trying to find out why.
> >
> >Perhaps I'm just sick & tired of my colleagues looking down upon my
> >capabilities (being a female in this industry tends to be belittled by
> >others,
> >you see, esp in my part of the world.) Even the examination centers
> >officers
> >are puzzled to see me taking Cisco exams, when they would expect only
> >guys to
> >do such things.
> >
> >I'm being treated like a female clerk at the system integrator firm
> >where I
> >worked, being excluded out of all technical discussions because the guys
> >just
> >think "gee what do YOU know about this router/switch/firewall thing??"
> >(For
> >your reference, I've got a degree in Electrical Engineering, degree in
> >Commerce, MCSE, etc etc). Is sexual discrimation prevalent everywhere
> >in
> >this
> >IT industry, or just at my place?
> >
> >Guess I took my CCNP simply out of pride, just to show that "whatever
> >you
> >guys
> >can do, I can do too."
> >
> >And perhaps, out of pride too, I will take my CCIE.
> >
> >Regards, Eve
> >
>
>
>________________________
>
>Priscilla Oppenheimer
>http://www.priscilla.com
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http://www.priscilla.com
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