Never said that I agreed with the practice.  I am perfectly well aware of
Cisco's stance on the subject.

My message, also, did not state that I thought that it is not a big deal.
Personally, if I were in a position responsible for hiring, all candidates
who posted that information in their resume would automatically find
themselves removed from consideration.

I am proud of my own accomplishments and all of the initials that I can
place behind my name are placed with the full knowledge that I have the
score sheets and experience to back them up.

Sincerely,

Michael J. Doherty
MCSE-NT4, MCSE-W2K, CCNA Certified, CCDA Certified,  NREMT-P and many others
that do not have initials.

----- Original Message -----
From: "nrf" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: CCIE Question [7:36243]


> Cisco has made it clear that passing the written -CCIE exam does not get
you
> a certificate in itself.  Only by passing both the written and the lab do
> you obtain a cert.  I don't know how it came to be acceptable that people
> can claim a certificate that doesn't exist.
>
> While you might say that it's not really a big deal - after all, the
written
> is an exam, so it 'sort-of' is like a cert, so what's the harm in
pretending
> that it's another cert?  Well, the real problem is that if people are
> allowed to make up a "CCIE-Q" cert that doesn't exist, then what's to stop
> them from making up other qualifications that don't exist?  It's the
classic
> slippery slope.  For example, if the CCIE-Q becomes an accepted
pseudo-cert,
> then later somebody will inevitably say they have a "CCIE-A", because they
> (A)ttempted the written (but didn't pass).  Or  a "CCIE-F" for somebody
> who's never even seen a router in his life, but has heard about the CCIE
> program and is thinking about doing it in the (F)uture.  Or heck, how
about
> a Bachelor's Degree-(F) for somebody who's never stepped into a classroom
in
> his life, but might do it in the future.  I don't know about you, but I
hold
> a Ph.D-(F), an MBA-(F),  a Law-degree-(F), and a Medical-degree-(F), all
> from Harvard.
>
>
>
>
> ""Michael J. Doherty""  wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > It seems to be common these days to use that abbreviation to mean that
the
> > individual has taken, and passed, the Written exam, but not yet
> > challenged/passed the Lab.
> >
> > As for me, personally, when I get to that point, I do not plan on
> > advertising it in this manner.  If it comes up in an interview question,
I
> > would answer it.  But, I refuse to put any certification on my resume
> until
> > I can honestly claim the entire title.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian Zeitz"
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 1:54 PM
> > Subject: CCIE Question [7:36243]
> >
> >
> > > I saw a resume with "CCIE (Q)" after their name, what is the Q mean?
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