the only way to get a good job and keep it is to work your way up....in ANY
industry... experience is the key.  The job we are hiring for now does not
require any degree or cert but it is not an entry level position.  knowledge
is key!  and don't limit yourself to cisco just because it's the buzz....
Honestly, consulting is where the $$$ in and if you only work with cisco,
you short change yourself...  Find a small to medium size company with some
nt servers, and some novell servers and a hodge podge of core equipment. Get
yourself and mcse (it's one of the fastest/easiest wambam thank you mam
certs)  Learn subnetting and get your ccna.  Troubleshoot basic ipx and ip
issues for a year or so and learn the equipment as you go.  My advice is to
NOT get tunnel vision and think Cisco has all the answers... They are
certainly not the best of breed in too many products they offer.  They are
usually however the best overall solution in a single vendor environment.
(actualy, them, and 3com I think are the only single vendor solutions that
can tie in voip/wireless/core/edge/wan/etc...)  And if you have a choice
between 3com and cisco, thinkback 2 years when 3com dropped their core line!
heh....

anyway... 'nuff rant.... peace

-Patrick

>>> "Lomker, Michael"  04/03/02 02:49PM >>>
> How do I get a job that works with Cisco products,
> without alot of experience or a CCIE?

No kidding and good luck.  Even when the economy was good I couldn't find a
job.  If you have a BSEE your odds are a lot better, but my business degree
didn't get me anywhere.  

My current position is 75% NT and 25% Cisco.  You might have to find a job
like mine at a company that will give you some exposure to the Cisco
equipment.
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