Heh... it's only available to us IEEE members.... =)

Mike

"Priscilla Oppenheimer"  wrote in message
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> But they won't let you get IEEE 802.3 for free right now! It's been
updated
> to the 2002 edition. I can understand them not letting you get that
edition
> for free for the first six months, but I'm mad that you can't get the 2000
> edition any more either. I think they must be worried that everyone would
> go for the free one, and that could be a problem if vendors, especially,
> were still implementing to the old version.
>
> But hopefully this situation will be remedied soon and we will be able to
> get the 2002 eidtion for free.
>
> Regarding the question about learning Manchester encoding, it is quite
> simple, and it's also not very relevant to anything "real," but I did
cover
> it in my Ethernet Troubleshooting paper at:
>
> http://www.certificationzone.com
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 05:51 AM 5/20/02, Steven A. Ridder wrote:
> >Here's the address for the 802.x documents from IEEE:
> >
> >pad
> >pad
> >pad
> >
> >http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/
> >
> >--
> >
> >RFC 1149 Compliant.
> >Get in my head:
> >http://sar.dynu.com
> >
> >
> >""Brian Hill""  wrote in message
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> > > Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The IEEE annex that covered full-duplex (802.3x) probably
> > > > didn't mention
> > > > slot time. That annex was rolled into the 802.3 2000 edition,
> > > > however,
> > > > which of course does cover slot time since it still covers
> > > > CSMA/CD,
> > > > repeaters, etc. (in addition to full-duplex operation.)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Thanks, I was beginning to think I had bad info on slot time as well.
It
> > > turns out you were saying that all devices that use CSMA/CD (i.e.
> > > multiaccess), not all Ethernet devices, use the slot time, which is
how I
> > > understood it in the first place, I just misunderstood what you were
> >saying :(
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well, now we are getting into EE talk. ;-) Everything is analog
> > > > at some
> > > > level, isn't it? But an Ethernet repeater works on a Manchester
> > > > encoded
> > > > digital signal. (MLT-3 encoding for 100 Mbps). I think your
> > > > second
> > > > statement is closest to the truth (that the repeater converts
> > > > the analog
> > > > signal into a digital representation and creates a new analog
> > > > signal). But
> > > > I don't know the exact details.
> > >
> > > Great, that makes perfect sense :) There is that Manchester encoding
> >again.
> > > Do you know where I can find good documentation on it?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry I was so punchy in the previous message.
> > > >
> > >
> > > No problem Priscilla :) You guys (and gals) actually cleared up a lot
of
> >old
> > > misconceptions in this whole long list of stuff, which is great
> >considering
> > > that documents on the dirty inner workings of Ethernet are hard to
find
> > > unless you happen to be an IEEE member. :P
> ________________________
>
> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> http://www.priscilla.com




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