Neal, I agree with you 100% the the CCIP is more relevent than the CCIE in the service provider sphere.
However I think the CCIP has yet to attain the credability and recognition of the CCIE. I think the reason Cisco probably introduced the CCIP is to address the shortcomings of the CCIE in the service provider area. However, since the CCIE is so coveted and since some many people have invested so much in their CCIE's , i think Cisco probably didn't want to superceed the CCIE with the CCIP. Utimately, it will be up to the market to decide which certification is more relevent in the future. Perhaps CCIE will become associated more with the Enterpise arena and CCIP with the serivce provider arena. Chris Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45944&t=45893 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]