Dalibor Topic wrote:
On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 23:30 +0100, Philippe Laporte wrote:
Hej,
Well, see that's my outsider take. In my view people should join
efforts independently of egos. Perhaps I am too idealistic...
I am sure if you spend some time researching on the Internet you will
find out that many of us are actually sharing code, experiences and
helping promote free runtimes regardless of which project they are
associated with.
I am sorry that my purpose is not clear yet. It will be soon enough.
Then you will surely understand why
I don't have the time to go around and check old information and then
ask if it's current.
I've been mentioning and recommending SableVM alongside with JikesRVM,
JamVM, IKVM, gcj, Cacao and various other free runtimes in invited
presentations and talks ever since I got involved with the free runtimes
in 2002, no matter if I was invited to speak about my pet project or
not. When Kevin, doing the SableVM talk at FISL 2005, couldn't come, I
helped out, and praised the state-of-the-artness of it to the audience,
and the brilliance of its authors, and so on, and so on. I'd do it
again, too, any time. It's good code, and I have lots of respect for
their work.
So please spare me the crap talk about egos, since we are doing all that
quite successfully. The folks with the big egos ("bring me the Stallman
or an FSF lawyer's head!") are not in this project. If your pet project
doesn't get the attention you think it deserves, try writing some code
instead of clogging the list with fanboyism.
Do I really need to answer this? I think a lot of people appreciate my
interventions.
I don't know what fanboyism is (and I don't care to look), but this is
the deal: the biggest device manufacturer in the world will be putting
free Java on their device, and some coordination is needed to beat the
proprietary Java (which Nokia will use if the free Java community does
not pull it together).
Now, where are you guys coordinating a free embedded Java strategy?
I am trying to provoke some kind of debate and hopefully resolution of
open issues...
There are no open issues.
!
SableVM choses to use GNU Classpath, which is cool. They chose not to
contribute to its development atm, which is cool, too, since they have
shown to be very, very hard to work together with in a professional way,
without turning discussions on their head with exactly this sort of
arrogant posturing that you've managed to do as well. Congratulations.
I'm sorry for being so obscure.
The Sable guys are very willing to ditch their classpath tweaks and
depend on the real distro. They just don't see it as a priority. Neither
would I.
If you absolutely need to debate some funny bit of SableVM's history,
worldview, or legal theories, please do it on the appropriate lists, or
in private. The appropriate list for dissing other GNU Classpath
runtimes (and crapping onto projects who write the code your pet project
crucially depends on) is not this one, do it where other people don't
have to endure such rudeness.
Rudeness is purely cultural. Try living in Finland. I was there for
almost two years (hint hint).
I think competition does diservice to the community...
As the history shows, you are clearly wrong.
The free runtime community has profited immensely from not focusing on a
single VM, but instead nicely routing around the eventually less
successful projects by letting a thousand flowers bloom, and helping
people help themselves to better software they way they want and need it
under the licenses they like. That's why you can chose a pet project to
be a fan of, among several alternatives.
Chose one, contribute to it, but please keep your stop energy away from
people who do real work.
How do you defend people wasting their energy on Kaffe, while there is
not a bit of anything in it that is unique.
Kaffe WAS great. I say pick it apart, plug its bits here and there, and
let's all focus on something else.
Don't try to tell me you love kaffe more than I do, BTW.
There isn't a thousand ways to do a VM. What we need is free VM that is
better than any non-free. How are we doing on this one?
