is there a risk that people have seen Rich's videos and thus the ant demo, already? If so, that could turn into, "So it's a one trick pony?" Not likely, but is there that risk?
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Michael Harrison (goodmike) < goodmike...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just my 2 cents, but the really killer part of the ant hill > demonstration for me happened when Rich brought up his computer's > process monitor and showed the simulation using > 100% of the CPU. In > other words, it was a proof moment -- look, multiple cores! > > I think the audience would respect the demonstration that you don't > have to do anything onerous to execute your code on multiple cores. > Just use the built-in abstractions and STM takes care of the rest. I > think (most) Java folks won't be impressed with Lisp features. > Performance, on the other hand, appeals to every geek. > > In any case, it's exciting to have Clojure at the table. > Congratulations, Rich. > > Michael > > > > On May 18, 10:46 am, falcon <shahb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree with John. For certain applications, the ability to modify > > the code while it is running is very useful. > > > > Many language comparisons turn into syntax comparisons. Clojure has > > enough interesting concepts (concurrency model, code as data, macros) > > that it should be made to stand out. > > > > On May 18, 9:30 am, John Newman <john...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I believe it was the presentation you gave on the ants simulation, > where you > > > updated the program while it was running. I'm not sure if the other > > > languages in the shootout can do that, but I thought that was pretty > > > awesome. > > > > > I think a display of building an application while it's running in > front of > > > you (be that a web app or a desktop app) is flashy and compelling. Not > sure > > > how far you could go with that though. > > > > > 2 cents. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Laurent PETIT < > laurent.pe...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > As a general idea, I would say : > > > > > > specific to lisp: > > > > the possibility to get rid of "boiler plate code", such as the one > > > > involved in each and every (re)implementation of some GOF design > > > > patterns. > > > > > > This could be either a demonstration of the power of higher order > > > > functions or macros (the first with higher order functions *can* be > > > > done in java, but it is such a pain in the ass to do this right with > > > > anonymous functions that it is rarely done in practice, some spring > > > > framework frameworks let apart) > > > > > > specific to clojure: > > > > a demonstration of the ease of use of concurrent/parallel programming > > > > constructs. > > > > > > 2009/5/18 Rich Hickey <richhic...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > I'll be doing two sessions involving Clojure at JavaOne this June. > One > > > > > is a traditional talk (TS-4164), the other is as a participant in > the > > > > > Script Bowl 2009: A Scripting Languages Shootout (PAN-5348). > > > > > > > The 'script' bowl is a friendly competition, basically a place to > show > > > > > off your language and seek audience acclaim. > > > > > > > "Scripting language gurus returning from 2008 are Groovy, JRuby, > > > > > Jython, and Scala. This year there is also a new kid on the block: > > > > > Clojure." > > > > > > > There are two very brief rounds, 4 minutes per language each round > . > > > > > > > round 1: Core language and libraries round (show something really > cool > > > > > with the core language and libraries) > > > > > > > round 2: Community round (show some significant community > > > > > contributions) > > > > > > > Note there is no comparative aspect, each language presenter talks > up > > > > > their own language and the audience decides, so it's not an > > > > > opportunity to draw contrasts explicitly. It's about being pro- > > > > > Clojure, not anti- anything else. > > > > > > > The audience is Java developers, many of whom will have never seen > > > > > Clojure or any Lisp. > > > > > > > I'd appreciate some suggestions *and help* preparing demos for the > > > > > Script Bowl. What (that could be demonstrated in 4 minutes) would > make > > > > > you think - 'Clojure looks cool, I need to look into it'? What > > > > > community contribution(s) should we showcase? > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > -- > > > John > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
