On Aug 8, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Phillip Lord wrote:
>> 
>> I'm happy to drop this after this message too. I just couldn't let such an
>> unnecessarily insulting email stand without a response
> 
> I think he was trying to support you actually. He's saying "it doesn't
> work for you, which means it's the wrong tool!"

I was referring to Norman Richard's comment, which is what set me off: 
"Structural editing, like paredit, is really the only sane way to do Clojure 
code.  I honestly thing anyone who manually balances parenthesis or edits 
Clojure functions in a way that doesn't preserve the structural integrity of 
your expressions is just doing it wrong.  (not just doing it poorly - but doing 
it wrong)".


>> And one other part of my dislike comes from my work teaching new programmers,
>> who have enough to learn and overcome without having to rethink the concept 
>> of
>> editing before turning (a b (c d)) into (a (b c d)), which they could do
>> effortlessly in a normal editor.
> 
> I can see this as a problem, although, there again new programmers are
> likely to have problems getting parens balanced. I've never taught lisp
> to new programmers, but given the difficult those I have taught Java
> have with brace/paren matching, I guess it's a problem. 

Agreed. But good brace/paren *matching* (highlighting the mate and/or unmatched 
brackets) solves this problem without all the downsides (IMHO) of paredit.

 -Lee

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