Business case...

I have two business cases at hand.

None can be done with frameworks w/o making the end products look like any 
other one in their respective space and having to bend to framework limitations.

Being disruptive requires a different approach.
 
Having to write all these individual libs ourselves would make these two 
product sets much more difficult to create. Experimentation would also suffer a 
lot.

Now we have the elements to create new recipes instead of everyone eating the 
same dry cake that's been left on the shelf for a year.

Aside from HR tagging, I see little value in a branded framework.
Being reluctant to be part of a tagged herd, I can't agree with you :)

But given my (bad) character this may explain that :)

Luc P.

> On 03/05/2015 00:53, Christopher Small wrote:
> > I disagree with the premise entirely. I think that the Clojure community
> > has just done a better job of building smaller, more modular tooling.
> > And this is frankly something I prefer, and find refreshing in the
> > Clojure sphere (as compared with my previous Rails webdev experience).
> >
> > Note that to put things on the same footing, you'd want to be noting
> > that Luminus depend on Ring and Compojure, with commit counts 761 and
> > 865 resp, and contributor counts 73 and 29 resp.
> >
> > I'm not saying that Clojure can't improve it's offering in web dev with
> > added libraries etc, but I wouldn't want to see us move away from the
> > modularity with which we've built things, because I think it's a win.
> >
> > Just my 2 c
> >
> > Chris Small
> 
> Most decent web frameworks these days are built from modular components 
> so this distinction is a bit laboured. Rails is built on top of Active* 
> and Rack so the Ring/Compojure distinction is illusory. Laravel is built 
> on top of Symfony components it could be argued that Symfony has played 
> a similar role to Ring/Compojure in the PHP community.
> 
> Clojure's modular approach is great but I just don't see the need to 
> polarise when there's such a strong business case for structured 
> frameworks. If you look at most of the jobs in web development at 
> Indeed.com they're almost exclusively framework-based. Modular is great 
> but it would also be nice to see a few more Clojure jobs advertised.
> 
> gvim
> 
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