John: Thanks, I get it...........but they don't have to sell thousands of boats..(Average price will be in the $250K+ range, in my opinion. They do have to build a slick fast competitive boat that any potential J105 or J109 buyer would change his mind for..........
In my mind, this is a price to market issue........hell, if I were to win the lottery, the first call I'd make is to the new C&C guys.......and we'd be off and running; new logo and all. Best, Ron -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of j...@svpaws.net Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality !!!! Well, I agree with the sentiment if not the content. > Sabre.......priced one of them lately..... Actually... Yes (although they are no longer making sailboats). In fact I sold a 386 to return to C&C, albeit of the Tartan vintage. I don't regret the decision for a minute. I believe there are several "list lurkers" that might surprise you. I very much liked the exterior of the redline 41 and were it not for my 121 which I am in love with I would likely be giving them a call. The interior needs to be reworked but I believe he mentioned other designs. I wish them well. Like many on this list I just think they are fighting an uphill battle with the 30. They may well prove me the idiot I am and end up selling thousands of boats. I hope they do. If I had a choice, I would prefer to see a return to what Tartan did originally with the 110/121 - a really good performance cruiser. Of course, if I was in the majority Tartan never would have sold the band. As I recall, the comment in 1999 was that the boat needed a C&C logo on the shower door to prove it was a C&C. Nope, not a lot of love from the Niagara crowd. So yes, we probably all should be a bit more open minded. In a few years, we may well find a few generation next C&C's on this list. John Sent from my iPad > On Nov 7, 2013, at 7:22 PM, "Ron Casciato" <rjcasci...@comcast.net> wrote: > > To the group... > > Just some thoughts to bring the conversation down to today's reality > check.......... I would advance that most of the listers in this group who > own C&C boats actually own boats older than 1990...........Maybe a few in > the early 90's......... virtually none of us own anything that competes with > new models of racer cruiser boats today. > > I own one of the Bruckman C&C's built in 1977. It's a 38MKIIC and was built > as a custom boat for someone in Chicago to race in the Mac races.......... I > have completely refinished her to better than new condition and we race her > weekly in the local PHRF series. > > That makes her over 46 years old and I wouldn't give her up for any amount. > And yes, I would love to see those lines continued in to the future, it's a > great boat, but the reality is that you can't make a current business on > those older boat's designs........ I admire Will's courage and intent on > keeping the "marque" but really, not one of us is a potential customer of > the new boats of any brand in today's market at today's new boat > prices.......Incidentally, most of us are too old to think about making that > kind of investment in a new 30' or 40' boat. I'm sure that Will gets it, he > needs to create a boat that sells into today's active sailor market, and > that ain't many of us by comparison. Today's cruising/ racing families are > choosing between newer designs and trying to compete with the J 105 > .........which I can't even touch given my generous handicap. > > We all purchased our boats at a different time and place in our > lives.........those choices are still great ones, but given the "disposable > income" of many newer sailboat types, I applaud Will and his group for > giving it a try...... > > Sort of like the new "Cris Craft" power boats...........they are still being > made, but not in the old style and function. The market is smaller than it > was for either type of boat and a new venture needs to pick a segment that > contains enough potential customers so it can survive.... > > What each of us needs to do is sail for a day on one of the late model > Jeauneau's, Beneteau's or for the purist's out there a new > Sabre.......priced one of them lately..... > _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
