Yeah – for W/L racing does it really matter if the boat is 10 feet long or 100? Being the RC boat for Optis and 420s I was thinking these kids might grow up and race ever-bigger boats around this EXACT SAME COURSE. Maybe C&C needs to recreate the old SR22.
Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:25 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality !!!! I hope the folks who commented on my earlier rant, particularly Will Harris, are not feeling that I don't like the current designs. I just like the older ones better - we have a few local Hinckley Bermuda 40's around here and I think they are beautiful. Would I like to have one - NO - all that lovely brightwork to maintain, less room inside than a current 35 footer, etc. Plus 25000 pounds and a 40 footer that rates the same as my 30-1. I feel that a boat that draws 7 or 8 feet only fits in a few areas of the Chesapeake, such as Annapolis. But on the Eastern Shore you would be confined to the channels which are not very wide - thus you better have a good motor. Don't get me wrong - I like fast boats - have been racing on J-80's for three years and they are a blast! Would I do anything but race them from a pier - NO. So, a 30 foot version with over 7 feet of draft would be a bigger blast, but most of the folks I know are not in a financial position to have a quarter million toy. We do have a 115 in the fleet, and it looks good and performs well - sometimes we beat it boat for boat (on the J-80) and sometimes we have to wait until the handicaps are calculated - they give us about half a minute per mile - and once it a while they get us. And for the other commenter, in 1980 I was towing my Porsche RSR look-alike IMSA/TransAM 911 around either behind a 1970 Chrysler 440 Wagon (as big as my boat!) or a Dodge Van. The street 911 was at home..... nowadays similar folks are using monster pickups with fifth wheel rigs or renting semis.... everything changes. Thats it. Gary Nylander ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Della Barba<mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality !!!! I think that is very true. Coquina is 40 years old and we have owned her for 36 of those 40 years. Racing and cruising have diverged so much that the market for a 2014 C&C 35 MK I basically does not exist. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com<mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 8:15 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality !!!! Hey guys, Reality check? We are probably not the best council for the new C&C company. Having sailed for 40 years and owned my present boat for 11 years. If I ever hit the lottery, I still wouldn't buy a new boat. For the same money, I can get twice the boat fully equipped and fitted out w sails and equipment. Just sayin'. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ ________________________________ From: "Ron Casciato" <rjcasci...@comcast.net<mailto:rjcasci...@comcast.net>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:02:17 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality !!!! John: Thanks, I get it...........but they don't have to sell thousands of boats..(Average price will be in the $250K+ range, in my opinion. They do have to build a slick fast competitive boat that any potential J105 or J109 buyer would change his mind for.......... In my mind, this is a price to market issue........hell, if I were to win the lottery, the first call I'd make is to the new C&C guys.......and we'd be off and running; new logo and all. Best, Ron -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of j...@svpaws.net<mailto:j...@svpaws.net> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality !!!! Well, I agree with the sentiment if not the content. > Sabre.......priced one of them lately..... Actually... Yes (although they are no longer making sailboats). In fact I sold a 386 to return to C&C, albeit of the Tartan vintage. I don't regret the decision for a minute. I believe there are several "list lurkers" that might surprise you. I very much liked the exterior of the redline 41 and were it not for my 121 which I am in love with I would likely be giving them a call. The interior needs to be reworked but I believe he mentioned other designs. I wish them well. Like many on this list I just think they are fighting an uphill battle with the 30. They may well prove me the idiot I am and end up selling thousands of boats. I hope they do. If I had a choice, I would prefer to see a return to what Tartan did originally with the 110/121 - a really good performance cruiser. Of course, if I was in the majority Tartan never would have sold the band. As I recall, the comment in 1999 was that the boat needed a C&C logo on the shower door to prove it was a C&C. Nope, not a lot of love from the Niagara crowd. So yes, we probably all should be a bit more open minded. In a few years, we may well find a few generation next C&C's on this list. John Sent from my iPad > On Nov 7, 2013, at 7:22 PM, "Ron Casciato" > <rjcasci...@comcast.net<mailto:rjcasci...@comcast.net>> wrote: > > To the group... > > Just some thoughts to bring the conversation down to today's reality > check.......... I would advance that most of the listers in this group who > own C&C boats actually own boats older than 1990...........Maybe a few in > the early 90's......... virtually none of us own anything that competes with > new models of racer cruiser boats today. > > I own one of the Bruckman C&C's built in 1977. It's a 38MKIIC and was built > as a custom boat for someone in Chicago to race in the Mac races.......... I > have completely refinished her to better than new condition and we race her > weekly in the local PHRF series. > > That makes her over 46 years old and I wouldn't give her up for any amount. > And yes, I would love to see those lines continued in to the future, it's a > great boat, but the reality is that you can't make a current business on > those older boat's designs........ I admire Will's courage and intent on > keeping the "marque" but really, not one of us is a potential customer of > the new boats of any brand in today's market at today's new boat > prices.......Incidentally, most of us are too old to think about making that > kind of investment in a new 30' or 40' boat. I'm sure that Will gets it, he > needs to create a boat that sells into today's active sailor market, and > that ain't many of us by comparison. Today's cruising/ racing families are > choosing between newer designs and trying to compete with the J 105 > .........which I can't even touch given my generous handicap. > > We all purchased our boats at a different time and place in our > lives.........those choices are still great ones, but given the "disposable > income" of many newer sailboat types, I applaud Will and his group for > giving it a try...... > > Sort of like the new "Cris Craft" power boats...........they are still being > made, but not in the old style and function. The market is smaller than it > was for either type of boat and a new venture needs to pick a segment that > contains enough potential customers so it can survive.... > > What each of us needs to do is sail for a day on one of the late model > Jeauneau's, Beneteau's or for the purist's out there a new > Sabre.......priced one of them lately..... > _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ________________________________ _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com>
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