Alan, you make it sound simple enough as does Andrew in quoting Rule 18.if it were that simple my question then is; why did David say in his write up, I did not know who had rights. Probably the other boat did not know who had rights either, yet Rule 18 is not that difficult to understand as it is written on paper and your explanation is easy to understand too.understanding of the written rule and application of the rule on the water at mark roundings is, on the other hand, often a judgement call.not having knowledge of the rules or how they apply on the water or maybe even having that knowledge but pushing the limits of the rule can cause unecessary collisions.like I said earlier the issue is not so crystal clear to me from Davids recollection of what happened but it is troublesome that he did not know who had rights and maybe the same could be said for the other boat yet they were still out there sailing rather expensive vessels on a possible collision course in close proximity to one another.we all know that sailboats don't have very good brakes and they carry a lot of momentum.it is very good however that one boat finally did give way and no collision happened.racing rules can work but all sailors need to know and understand how they apply in given situations and they need to obey the rules or else they should take a break from racing and do some study.knowledge of the rules at the start, at crossings on course and mark roundings are particularly critical because that is where most collion possibilities are encountered. I do not know anything about David's racing experience but I am hoping that this event and the discussion we have had here will encourage him to study the rules so that he never has to say again, I did not know who had rights, and I hope we all know that we must take all possible action to avoid collision with another boat regardless of who has rights according to the rules of racing
Dwight Veinot C&C 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _____ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen via CnC-List Sent: August 20, 2014 2:31 AM To: C&C Photoalbum email list Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing rules at marks Actually, you had an inside overlap. There is no requirement for boats to be in close proximity to one another for an overlap to exist. You were clear ahead until the other boat established an overlap to windward of you. The only way for the other boat to have had rights would be if it became clear ahead before either of you had entered the zone. Since you both entered the zone at around the same time, you had an inside overlap, and rights at the mark. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR I am hoping that someone can clarify the actual rules related to an incident that I was involved in last weekend. The race was a "fun" race, so no yelling, but I did not know who had rights. We had huge wind shifts approaching the windward mark and I was in a position where I was close hauled, just making the mark (to port) on starboard tack. A much larger boat was approaching the mark also on starboard tack but from a different direction. He had vastly over stood the mark due to the wind shift so he was coming in on a reach and due to get there at the same time as me. We both entered the zone around the mark at about the same time although he was going faster so it was hard to tell. After several polite requests, he gave me inside room. Who has rights in that situation since there was never really an overlap until we both got to the mark? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT <http://web.mail.comcast.net/service/home/%7E/?auth=co&id=497637&part=3.5.2. 2> _____ _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8059 - Release Date: 08/18/14
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