Dumb and dangerous course by the race comm. Rich
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 7:29, Indigo via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Agree. If you race - even in "fun" races you should know the rules - > especially those that are designed to prevent expensive accidents. On mark > roundings I believe the hardest part is determining when and who entered the > 3 boat length zone first and whether an overlap existed but even this gets > easier if one remembers that if there is any doubt, it is assumed the inside > boat was overlapped and thus has rights. > > Here is another rule quandary that happened at our club recently > > RC sets up the line with the pin on its port side. Triangular course - > clockwise - twice round. Boats 1, 2 & 3 lead to the windward mark- remember > the pin was to port at the start and round the windward mark to port - > effectively turning through more than 360 degrees to head off on the reach to > the next mark. Boat 4 remembers the "taught string rule" ( not crossing ones > wake) and rounds to starboard. After the first mark, all boats round > subsequent marks to starboard > > What would the outcome be should it have gone to protest? > > -- > Jonathan > Indigo C&C 35III > SOUTHPORT CT > >> On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:04, dwight via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Alan, you make it sound simple enough as does Andrew in quoting Rule 18…if >> it were that simple my question then is; why did David say in his write up, >> I did not know who had rights. Probably the other boat did not know who had >> rights either, yet Rule 18 is not that difficult to understand as it is >> written on paper and your explanation is easy to understand >> too…understanding of the written rule and application of the rule on the >> water at mark roundings is, on the other hand, often a judgement call…not >> having knowledge of the rules or how they apply on the water or maybe even >> having that knowledge but pushing the limits of the rule can cause >> unecessary collisions…like I said earlier the issue is not so crystal clear >> to me from Davids recollection of what happened but it is troublesome that >> he did not know who had rights and maybe the same could be said for the >> other boat yet they were still out there sailing rather expensive vessels on >> a possible collision course in close proximity to one another…we all know >> that sailboats don’t have very good brakes and they carry a lot of >> momentum…it is very good however that one boat finally did give way and no >> collision happened…racing rules can work but all sailors need to know and >> understand how they apply in given situations and they need to obey the >> rules or else they should take a break from racing and do some >> study…knowledge of the rules at the start, at crossings on course and mark >> roundings are particularly critical because that is where most collion >> possibilities are encountered. I do not know anything about David’s racing >> experience but I am hoping that this event and the discussion we have had >> here will encourage him to study the rules so that he never has to say >> again, I did not know who had rights, and I hope we all know that we must >> take all possible action to avoid collision with another boat regardless of >> who has rights according to the rules of racing >> >> Dwight Veinot >> C&C 35MKII, Alianna >> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan >> Bergen via CnC-List >> Sent: August 20, 2014 2:31 AM >> To: C&C Photoalbum email list >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing rules at marks >> >> Actually, you had an inside overlap. There is no requirement for boats to >> be in close proximity to one another for an overlap to exist. You were >> clear ahead until the other boat established an overlap to windward of you. >> The only way for the other boat to have had rights would be if it became >> clear ahead before either of you had entered the zone. Since you both >> entered the zone at around the same time, you had an inside overlap, and >> rights at the mark. >> >> Alan Bergen >> 35 Mk III Thirsty >> Rose City YC >> Portland, OR >> >> I am hoping that someone can clarify the actual rules related to an incident >> that I was involved in last weekend. The race was a “fun” race, so no >> yelling, but I did not know who had rights. We had huge wind shifts >> approaching the windward mark and I was in a position where I was close >> hauled, just making the mark (to port) on starboard tack. A much larger >> boat was approaching the mark also on starboard tack but from a different >> direction. He had vastly over stood the mark due to the wind shift so he >> was coming in on a reach and due to get there at the same time as me. We >> both entered the zone around the mark at about the same time although he was >> going faster so it was hard to tell. After several polite requests, he gave >> me inside room. Who has rights in that situation since there was never >> really an overlap until we both got to the mark? Thanks- Dave >> Aries >> 1990 C&C 34+ >> New London, CT >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8059 - Release Date: 08/18/14 >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >
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