Agree. If you race - even in "fun" races you should know the rules - especially those that are designed to prevent expensive accidents. On mark roundings I believe the hardest part is determining when and who entered the 3 boat length zone first and whether an overlap existed but even this gets easier if one remembers that if there is any doubt, it is assumed the inside boat was overlapped and thus has rights.
Here is another rule quandary that happened at our club recently RC sets up the line with the pin on its port side. Triangular course - clockwise - twice round. Boats 1, 2 & 3 lead to the windward mark- remember the pin was to port at the start and round the windward mark to port - effectively turning through more than 360 degrees to head off on the reach to the next mark. Boat 4 remembers the "taught string rule" ( not crossing ones wake) and rounds to starboard. After the first mark, all boats round subsequent marks to starboard What would the outcome be should it have gone to protest? -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:04, dwight via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Alan, you make it sound simple enough as does Andrew in quoting Rule 18…if it > were that simple my question then is; why did David say in his write up, I > did not know who had rights. Probably the other boat did not know who had > rights either, yet Rule 18 is not that difficult to understand as it is > written on paper and your explanation is easy to understand too…understanding > of the written rule and application of the rule on the water at mark > roundings is, on the other hand, often a judgement call…not having knowledge > of the rules or how they apply on the water or maybe even having that > knowledge but pushing the limits of the rule can cause unecessary > collisions…like I said earlier the issue is not so crystal clear to me from > Davids recollection of what happened but it is troublesome that he did not > know who had rights and maybe the same could be said for the other boat yet > they were still out there sailing rather expensive vessels on a possible > collision course in close proximity to one another…we all know that sailboats > don’t have very good brakes and they carry a lot of momentum…it is very good > however that one boat finally did give way and no collision happened…racing > rules can work but all sailors need to know and understand how they apply in > given situations and they need to obey the rules or else they should take a > break from racing and do some study…knowledge of the rules at the start, at > crossings on course and mark roundings are particularly critical because that > is where most collion possibilities are encountered. I do not know anything > about David’s racing experience but I am hoping that this event and the > discussion we have had here will encourage him to study the rules so that he > never has to say again, I did not know who had rights, and I hope we all know > that we must take all possible action to avoid collision with another boat > regardless of who has rights according to the rules of racing > > Dwight Veinot > C&C 35MKII, Alianna > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan > Bergen via CnC-List > Sent: August 20, 2014 2:31 AM > To: C&C Photoalbum email list > Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing rules at marks > > Actually, you had an inside overlap. There is no requirement for boats to be > in close proximity to one another for an overlap to exist. You were clear > ahead until the other boat established an overlap to windward of you. The > only way for the other boat to have had rights would be if it became clear > ahead before either of you had entered the zone. Since you both entered the > zone at around the same time, you had an inside overlap, and rights at the > mark. > > Alan Bergen > 35 Mk III Thirsty > Rose City YC > Portland, OR > > I am hoping that someone can clarify the actual rules related to an incident > that I was involved in last weekend. The race was a “fun” race, so no > yelling, but I did not know who had rights. We had huge wind shifts > approaching the windward mark and I was in a position where I was close > hauled, just making the mark (to port) on starboard tack. A much larger boat > was approaching the mark also on starboard tack but from a different > direction. He had vastly over stood the mark due to the wind shift so he was > coming in on a reach and due to get there at the same time as me. We both > entered the zone around the mark at about the same time although he was going > faster so it was hard to tell. After several polite requests, he gave me > inside room. Who has rights in that situation since there was never really > an overlap until we both got to the mark? Thanks- Dave > Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8059 - Release Date: 08/18/14 > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >
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