I alluded to this back at the beginning of the discussion, before it spiraled into a "your boat can't go that fast" one. In very light, or heavy air, you give up nothing with a 110-115% genoa over something bigger, plus it's easier to tack, easier to trim, points better and easier to see past and if it really kicks up, partially reefs better. There is really no good reason that I can find for running a bigger genoa unless you are racing with a full crew in light-medium air (8-20kts). My 2c, Canadian, rounded to the nearest cent, then adjusted for the loss of the penny coin :) Cheers, Paul.
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 22:33:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: dziedzi...@hotmail.com Actually, there is a school of thought that a 110% would work better in very light air (then a 155% or even a 135%). This is attributed to the fact that in order to generate lift, the airflow over the sail has to be laminar and if the sail is too long, the wind may not have enough energy to stay attached to the sail for such a long distance. There was recently a long discussion on that topic at Sailboat Owners (Don Gillette’s forum). Even some prizes were awarded. Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Pennie via CnC-List Sent: August-25-15 20:00 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: John Pennie Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! Oh come on, if you don't exaggerate a bit you're just not a sailor. On the 110%, I've gone with a 120 for years when cruising. It's just easier on everyone with little loss of speed vs. the 135 in lighter air. Whatever we loose in speed we make up for in quick tacking. We're in NY harbor (Battery) so short tacks and chop are the norm as is wind in the 15 range. Even racing we're not shy about using the 120 in the cruising or double handed divisions. Smaller and well trimmed trumps bigger and sloppy. Yes, people here have strong opinions and are a pita at times - until you need those strong opinions from a knowledgeable group. Good luck John Sent from my iPad On Aug 25, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:A few things :My genoa is an almost new laminate sail; The main is only 5 short seasons old; I've got a folding propeller ; my bottom is smooth like a babies - I take it out every winter!; I’m measuring speed with a Speed Puck (GPS) The 8kn readings were brief and fleeting (not more than the 10secs to register in the instrument. The 7kn readings did register though, but they were not sustained - like the 6+kn readings were. During this whole time I was beating, which is why I pondered on the possibility of sustaining 7 or 8 on a beam reach. I fairly regularly exceed theoretical hull speed - If you're not, you're not trying ! The 26 is not known to be a fast boat. I've done a lot to get her faster. There are a lot of faster C&C's on the water which is why the 26's aren't raced.And yes the 27 is faster! Sorry I pissed so many people off - I'll keep quiet in future! sam :-)From: dwight veinot via CnC-ListSent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:44 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: dwight veinotSubject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! sorry Russ, I thought he said a beam reach must have missed the part about puffs, still that's very fast for a 26 but if he can do it course be damned as you say, then good for himDwight VeinotC&C 35 MKII, AliannaHead of St. Margaret's Bay, nsd.ve...@bellaliant.net On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:Hi Dwight, Please reread Sam's message before getting out the pitchforks. He said 7 or 8, in the puffs. I would not characterize puffs as "regular"... On a prairie lake I think his experience is quite achievable in hot summer conditions when all you want to do is sail fast, course be damned. Cheers, Russ Sweet mk-1 At 10:05 AM 25/08/2015, you wrote: what do you mean by 7kn to 8kn regularly? If you mean 7 knots or 8 knots through the water or over the ground with a C&C 26 I would say you should be a race winner every time on corrected time; that is really fast for a C&C 26 even on a beam reach and I got a feeling you would probably leave my 35 MKII struggling to stay close behind...before everyone runs out to get a C&C 26 are you sure about those numbers; I have only ever seen a couple of C&C 26's around here...I don't remember them being quite that slippery, in fact my C&C 27 MKIII always seemed to be much faster on all points of sail Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts on optimizing my sail plan.Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts! Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought we’d play around with the saill plan.Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I ssee the occasional whitecap it’s around 10kn) I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons). A Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in Vancouver (5 seasons). I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken traveller; Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster) The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating to windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel a bit. (speed measured with a Speed Puck)Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the spreaders so no interference.Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up to 7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hulll speed is 6.25kn) No bubble in the luff of the main.Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard tack was better than port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or 8kn regularly. So here’s my thoughts:I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s not practical (...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%.Eventually a new laminate main will be needed too!I’m well pleased with 6+kns at 10kn of wind and 16deg angle of heel. Very little weather helmI’ve not tried it yet with the genoa at 110% in light wind. In heavy air the main can still be reefed (...as could the 110%). OK guys, am I missing something?(I’m not looking for advice on where to buy used sails!) sam :-)C&C 26 LiquoriceGhost Lake Alberta _______________________________________________Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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