I would agree with this school of thought - for very light air +/-3 knots. I frequently furl my 135 down to 100 otherwise I find that the slightest puff pushes the bow down when trying to inch my way upwind.
-- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Aug 25, 2015, at 22:33, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Actually, there is a school of thought that a 110% would work better in very > light air (then a 155% or even a 135%). This is attributed to the fact that > in order to generate lift, the airflow over the sail has to be laminar and if > the sail is too long, the wind may not have enough energy to stay attached to > the sail for such a long distance. > > There was recently a long discussion on that topic at Sailboat Owners (Don > Gillette’s forum). Even some prizes were awarded. > > Marek > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John > Pennie via CnC-List > Sent: August-25-15 20:00 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: John Pennie > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! > > Oh come on, if you don't exaggerate a bit you're just not a sailor. > > On the 110%, I've gone with a 120 for years when cruising. It's just easier > on everyone with little loss of speed vs. the 135 in lighter air. Whatever we > loose in speed we make up for in quick tacking. We're in NY harbor (Battery) > so short tacks and chop are the norm as is wind in the 15 range. Even racing > we're not shy about using the 120 in the cruising or double handed divisions. > Smaller and well trimmed trumps bigger and sloppy. > > Yes, people here have strong opinions and are a pita at times - until you > need those strong opinions from a knowledgeable group. > > Good luck > > John > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 25, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > A few things : > My genoa is an almost new laminate sail; The main is only 5 short seasons > old; I've got a folding propeller ; my bottom is smooth like a babies - I > take it out every winter!; I’m measuring speed with a Speed Puck (GPS) > > The 8kn readings were brief and fleeting (not more than the 10secs to > register in the instrument. The 7kn readings did register though, but they > were not sustained - like the 6+kn readings were. During this whole time I > was beating, which is why I pondered on the possibility of sustaining 7 or 8 > on a beam reach. > > I fairly regularly exceed theoretical hull speed - If you're not, you're not > trying ! The 26 is not known to be a fast boat. I've done a lot to get her > faster. There are a lot of faster C&C's on the water which is why the 26's > aren't raced. > And yes the 27 is faster! > > Sorry I pissed so many people off - I'll keep quiet in future! > > sam :-) > From: dwight veinot via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:44 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: dwight veinot > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! > > sorry Russ, I thought he said a beam reach must have missed the part about > puffs, still that's very fast for a 26 but if he can do it course be damned > as you say, then good for him > > Dwight Veinot > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > d.ve...@bellaliant.net > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Dwight, > > Please reread Sam's message before getting out the pitchforks. He said 7 or > 8, in the puffs. I would not characterize puffs as "regular"... > > On a prairie lake I think his experience is quite achievable in hot summer > conditions when all you want to do is sail fast, course be damned. > > > Cheers, Russ > Sweet mk-1 > > > > At 10:05 AM 25/08/2015, you wrote: > > what do you mean by 7kn to 8kn regularly? > > If you mean 7 knots or 8 knots through the water or over the ground with a > C&C 26 I would say you should be a race winner every time on corrected time; > that is really fast for a C&C 26 even on a beam reach and I got a feeling you > would probably leave my 35 MKII struggling to stay close behind...before > everyone runs out to get a C&C 26 are you sure about those numbers; I have > only ever seen a couple of C&C 26's around here...I don't remember them being > quite that slippery, in fact my C&C 27 MKIII always seemed to be much faster > on all points of sail > > Dwight Veinot > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > d.ve...@bellaliant.net > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts > on optimizing my sail plan. > > Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts! > >  > > Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought > we’d play around with the saill plan. > > Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I ssee the occasional > whitecap it’s around 10kn) > >  > > I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons). A > Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in > Vancouver (5 seasons). > >  > > I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken traveller; > Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster) > >  > > The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating to > windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel a > bit. (speed measured with a Speed Puck) > > Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the > spreaders so no interference. > > Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up to > 7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hulll speed is 6.25kn) No bubble in the > luff of the main. > > Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard tack was > better than port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or 8kn > regularly. > >  > > So here’s my thoughts: > > I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s not > practical (...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%. > > Eventually a new laminate main will be needed too! > > I’m well pleased with 6+kns at 10kn of wind and 16deg angle of heel. Very > little weather helm > > I’ve not tried it yet with the genoa at 110% in light wind. In heavy air > the main can still be reefed (...as could the 110%). > >  > > OK guys, am I missing something? > > (I’m not looking for advice on where to buy used sails!) > >  > > sam :-) > > C&C 26 Liquorice > > Ghost Lake Alberta > >  > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >
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