Violeta, One of the photos from Martin's link is quite historic (they are all historic, of course, but one more than the others). See attached. It shows Blair Vedder (owner), Erich Bruckmann (builder), Mark Ellis (C&C custom sales), and Ed Botterell (Hood sialimaker). I wish I had a higher resolution copy of this photo.
Rob Mazza On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 12:46 AM, Violeta Ivanova via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Martin, > > That's all great information, thanks a lot. > > Marek - thanks for the link to the vendor in Maine. I don't know much > about sealants, so it help to get recommendations. > > More comments inline on specific topics - lots of food for thought! > > Violeta > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, Martin DeYoung < > martin.deyo...@outlook.com> wrote: > > >> From MIT's sailing web site I find "X Dimension" was originally "Night >> Train". I have pictures of "Night Train" being built at Bruckmann's with >> the design/build team and Blair Vedder standing in the partially completed >> hull before the deck is added. The deck is upside down next to the hull. >> (You will be able to see the hull and deck flanges.) I obtained the >> pictures from Nick Vedder (Blair's son) who now lives in the Seattle area, >> we are members at the same yacht club. We met down on Calypso one >> afternoon to talk 43's. Nick now owns a Beneteau 52 named "Night Train". >> > Have you seen these photos? http://sailing.mit.edu/wiki/ > index.php/X-Dimension_history > > Do you have other photos, too? > > I will send the digital pics to your email in the next few days. >> Regarding the C&C drawings, I have both paper and digital copies of all the >> 43 drawing the museum curator could locate. I expect you are only looking >> for any hull to deck details. If you agree to send the museum a donation >> for each digital pic we should avoid any copy right issues, and the museum >> is providing a great service to us C&C aficionados. IIRC the digital >> copies were $5 each. How much build detail are you interested in? >> > Payment for photos, drawings, service, etc., is up to the MIT sailing > master, so I'll let him know. I've no idea if that can be processed as > donation to the museum, but I'm sure that MIT will respect all copyright, > so no worries. I'm emailing you separately about the copies. > > Not only hull to deck details actually. I am interested in all structural > details relevant to XD. > > >> >... If we were to reuse some of the toe rail, how would one clean and >> treat that? >> >> -- We have used scotch bright type adhesive wheels on a drill motor to >> clean off the corrosion, prime with a zinc aluminum spray primer, then >> painted black with marine grade engine spray paint. Others here have >> recommended Rust-o-ileum paint. >> >> >... What about custom extrusion, if we can't find a match for the T-rail? >> >> -- Custom extrusions are very expensive. I have done several for aircraft >> related products and the tooling is a little pricey for a small >> quantity. For a short or partial section having something machined and >> anodized may be affordable. For a long section I expect you could find a >> similar C&C related toe rail section that would fit in. Klacko has been >> mentioned as one of the hardware suppliers for the 14 or 15 "Limited" C&Cs >> built by Bruckmanns. >> > > I'll pass this information to the guys and gals working on XD. I am out of > state now, so I am only helping with the research. > > >> >... And wouldn't the hull and deck separate, once the bolts are removed? >> It seems essential to do one section at a time. How big a section? >> >> --If I was doing this project I would temporarily replace each bolt as it >> became possible. The 43's have each athwart ships and longitudinal >> bulkheads glassed to the deck so the risk of any hull distortion is nil so >> don't stress over a missed bolt or two. >> > Oh my. I *finally* get this! Of course, bulkheads would be glassed to the > deck, too. Boat building is new to me, but I have structural engineering > background, so I should have thought of it myself. I didn't until you > mentioned it. I was too focused on the hull/deck joint along the perimeter. > > Not to worry much then, I agree. Just proceed with caution, etc. Those > drawings will really help, too! > > Now I want to build a boat myself. The boat I want doesn't seem to exist > yet. But that's for another discussion. :) > > >... Finally, out of curiosity, I found Evening Star (with the teak rail) >> listed for sale online. She is beautiful! But XD is better. :) >> >> -- I also believe Calypso (nee Arieto (70's based in Boston), Phantom >> and Esta Es based on the Great Lakes) is better.. but Dave Utley's >> restoration and upgrades to "Evening Star" made her the queen of the west >> coast 43's. Dave traded "Evening Star" for the C&C 48 now known as >> "Morning Star", completed a similar restoration/upgrade then sailed her up >> and down the east coast. "Morning Star" is also listed for sale here in >> the Seattle area. >> > > So we have XD, Calypso, Evening Star, Phantom, and Esta Es so far, five of > the custom 43' sisters. I think there were nine more. Do you know what > happened to all of them? > > Violeta > > >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > >
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