Following up on my note below, I just reviewed an excerpt from my copy of This
Old Boat (newer addition). Don Casey is unequivocally in favor of Marelon and
says he has seen almost no evidence to support the concern about strength
(aside from a broken handle on one small seacock). In his view, strength is
not really an issue, but corrosion-resistance is – so, as he put it, “plastic
is better.”
From: Matthew L. Wolford
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 11:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Thanks, Josh. I have no opinion one way or the other aside from what I’ve
heard and read — which may be pure fiction. Admittedly, it has been a while
since I heard negative comments about Marelon. Perhaps the concern was more
about the uncertainty of change.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 5, 2019, at 10:34 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:
Well Matthew I wouldn't go so far as to say that your cautions are meritless.
I just haven't had any trouble with mine. I understand the aversion to
"plastic" - just doesn't seen strong enough. Consider on the other hand how
narley some of the bronze fittings can look when left to their own devices.
Josh
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 9:56 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
There you have it. I guess the cautions I’ve heard and read about lack
merit.
From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 5:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
For what it is worth, my boat came with Marlon all around. I've had
absolutely no trouble at all and strongly recommend.
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 5:15 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
FWIW, I’m not a big fan of marelon where there is a potential for
breakage. I would be reluctant to use marelon seacocks for the cockpit
scuppers on my boat. I can envision crawling around in that space (like
working on the quadrant) and inadvertently breaking a seacock by pushing on it
with my foot for leverage (without knowing what I’m pushing on).
From: sender via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 3:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: sender
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Thanks to all who responded.
I was hoping there would be an abundance of people in a similar
situation, successfully freeing up the seacocks without too much difficulty.
There wasn't, so I think I'm going to go the route of replacing with Marelon
seacocks and hopefully be done with it for good.
The secondary discussion about the lines crossing, is interesting, but
I've never noticed any back-up of water through the existing arrangement. It
seems to me for the crossed arrangement to work, the windward hull fitting
would have to be well above the healed waterline to avoid water ingress, which
means you would't get drainage of any spray when healed. Am I missing
something here?
Thanks again,
Eric
On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 7:18 AM Neil Andersen via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
But by crossing the hoses, you don’t end up wit a situation where the
scupper and thru-hull are both below the waterline when healed.
Neil Andersen
1982 C&C 32 FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD
Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661
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Wolford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Agreed that cockpit drains should always be open and functioning
correctly. I had one closed for some repair work on my old Ranger 26 and
decided it would be safe to race the boat with one functioning cockpit drain.
Worked great as long as we were on the right tack. We were nervously bailing
on the other tack several miles offshore. Never again.
I am curious to hear more about the idea of crossing the hoses. It
does not make sense to me as the far side thru-hull would be higher when
heeled.
From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 10:19 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
I apologize for creating confusion. For the reasons stated by Andrew
Burton, DO NOT shut cockpit drains. Period. My statement was supposed to be
that having seacocks open while not in use, or while away from the the boat was
an invitation for desaster. A better practice would be to relocate the cockpit
drains to a location above the waterline which would eliminate the need for
isolation valves and the subsequent risk incurred by the necessity of leaving
them open.
I also went on to suggest that in order to keep them above water on all
angles of heel that you MAY need to cross the drains port-stbd though depending
on the discharge location this may cause the cockpit drains to be lower than
the discharge ports and subsequently not drain until the next tack. A more
centralized drain is a better solution. As mentioned by others a discharge in
the transom is a good solution. You want it as high above waterline as
possible but below the cockpit floor.
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 10:03 AM PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C&c 40 for 3
years. (J24 Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern)
When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains I am on the
side mine are always open but I did service mine which required them to be
taken apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil oil and careful
persuasion) ). So if I wanted to I could close them I could
Thanks
Peter
C&c 40 aft 1983
Portland me
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On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no
one is aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit!
Andy
Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI
USA 02842
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260
On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be
closed when not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly
those below the water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not
be in use. Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I
suggest looking for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above the
waterline, without valves, and then permanently retire the through hulls.
Also consider the waterline when heeled. You may have to cross
port and starboard.
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I bought earlier this year a C&C 32. One issue the surveyor
pointed out is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open
position. This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the
west coast of BC.
I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of
seacock, and had success freeing it up.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA
The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the
12"x 12" panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably
accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to
go through the locker and remove the fuel tank.
The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this
is (well, was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on?
Thanks,
Eric
C&C 32 Sirocco 2
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