Interesting. This could be a layering issue then, and it could be due to a configuration unique to your customer’s setup. Since you’re doing things on a lower level than expected, there may be some nuance you need to add or something Apple needs to fix that may work fine using higher level frameworks. Since there’s lots of little things going on, it definitely warrants a feedback report. Please add its number to your reply when you submit it.
FYI, Apple has been putting a lot of effort to support RTL better; in one of this year’s early general presentations at WWDC, you might have seen an engineer talking about RTL support within the App Store on all devices (well, maybe not the HomePod, of course), and the labs definitely had staff there to help. Where you may find your implementation better than what you see in the frameworks, please write as many feedback reports as needed so all developers can benefit from the desired changes. -- Gary L. Wade http://www.garywade.com/ <http://www.garywade.com/> > On Dec 19, 2019, at 6:09 AM, Redler Eyal <e...@mellel.com> wrote: > >>> >>> OK, I'll try to get the sysdiagnose from my users before submitting. I must >>> say I'm really skeptic regarding the relation with my use of CG. It is not >>> that CG is not used by CT and everything else is also using CG. >> >> CG may not be the issue… and I cannot offer a better suggestion, but when I >> rule out a possibility without proof, it usually turns out that I over look >> the solution to the problem. Good luck! > > You're right, and I wasn't ruling it out. I actually sent my user a special > build with an defaults option to turn off page drawing (so the page views are > not doing any drawing CG or otherwise), the issue persists. > > I also tried to see this issue while doing remote access using anyDesk, for > some reason, the issue never showed up, when I disconnected, it showed up > again. > > Eyal > > > >> Sandor >> >>> The way it looks it seems very much related to the scrolling mechanism, the >>> pre-rendered portion is not rendered but for some reason the scrolling >>> mechanism thinks that it is. I really don't see how a core-graphic issue, >>> and certainly not a misuse on my part could cause a view to be partially >>> rendered. >>> BTW, do you think this type of issue is appropriate for a DTS incident? >>> >>>> Here’s the developer release notes for Catalina: >>>> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos_release_notes/macos_catalina_10_15_release_notes >>> >>> Thanks. I saw that but I recall that in the past you used to have app-kit >>> specific release notes which were usually more detailed. >>> >>>> As an aside, it would be helpful to know why you chose CG for text >>>> rendering. CT has gotten better with RTL and bidi text, but if you saw >>>> particular issues there, reports about those can help everyone. >>> >>> When I started developing this app (2002), there was no choice other then >>> CG since core text didn't exist and the other technologies didn't support >>> Hebrew and RTL well, if at all. So I wrote my own text engine and this was >>> very good for me commercially as my app was the the first and only >>> word-processor to support Hebrew (and later Arabic) properly on Max OS X. I >>> had a similar experience with OpenType which was not initially supported >>> and that also gave me an edge. As time passed Apple did improve the RTL >>> support and was offering more APIs so theoretically I could have rewritten >>> my code to use the new APIs but in reality I actually did the opposite and >>> relied less on Apple's APIs (for example, parsing 'cmap' tables) because >>> there were always bugs and even regressions which could render my app >>> unusable upon an OS upgrade. Beyond the bugs, I think my RTL is better, or >>> at least as far as I'm concerned as a native Hebrew speaker and having such >>> low-level control over something that is core to my app is essential IMO. >>> >>> Eyal Redler >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> "If Uri Geller bends spoons with divine powers, then he's doing it the hard >>> way." >>> --James Randi >>> www.eyalredler.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Gary L. Wade >>>> http://www.garywade.com/ >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 17, 2019, at 2:12 AM, Redler Eyal <e...@mellel.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am drawing using core graphics. I tried turning copiesOnScroll and >>>>> this didn't seem to help. >>>>> >>>>> I'll gladly write a feedback report but I'm not able to reproduce this so >>>>> I can't give an xcode project that will reproduce this... Isn't that a >>>>> requirement? >>>>> >>>>> BTW, perhaps you know: Are there no release notes for app kit with >>>>> Catalina? All I can find are very general notes without mention of any >>>>> specific API. I could not find, for example, any mention of the >>>>> deprecation of copiesOnScroll and what it means (is is not always on, >>>>> always off etc) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Eyal >>>>> >>>>>> On 16 Dec 2019, at 16:07, Gary L. Wade <garyw...@desisoftsystems.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If you’re not involving a higher level class like NSTextView or a medium >>>>>> level one like CoreText, it sounds like you might be going all the way >>>>>> down to CoreGraphics? If so, you might find your disparity between your >>>>>> system and your users in things like retina choice for a particular >>>>>> display and changes with respect to layers, especially things like the >>>>>> copiesOnScroll. If these don’t lead you to a solution where you say, >>>>>> “Oh, I really should’ve done this rather than that,” (20/20 hindsight) >>>>>> then write up a feedback report and add its URL here. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Gary L. Wade >>>>>> http://www.garywade.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:03 AM, Redler Eyal via Cocoa-dev >>>>>>> <cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> I don't use CoreText or NSTextView. I pretty much ruled out RTL vs LTR >>>>>>> issues since this is showing up in documents containing either and >>>>>>> both. I'm also unable to imagine how some text drawing code could >>>>>>> produce such artifacts as splitting a subview in the middle. >>>>>>> (http://eyalredler.com/stuff/catalina_glitch.png) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eyal >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2019, at 21:20, Gary L. Wade <garyw...@desisoftsystems.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I see from your personal web site you know Hebrew. Is it possible the >>>>>>>> affected/non-drawing pages contain some RTL text while those that >>>>>>>> don’t only contain LTR? I have seen some bugs with RTL text within >>>>>>>> NSTextView where the text was/wasn’t drawing in a similar manner. Do >>>>>>>> you operate at a CoreText level? >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Gary L. Wade >>>>>>>> http://www.garywade.com/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2019, at 6:17 AM, Redler Eyal via Cocoa-dev >>>>>>>>>> <cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm getting reports from users complaining about a strange display >>>>>>>>> issue on Catalina with my app. >>>>>>>>> My app is a word-processor (not based on the cocoa text system) whose >>>>>>>>> main display shows the pages of the document. Every page is a >>>>>>>>> separate view and all the pages are subviews of one big view which >>>>>>>>> resides inside a scroll view. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The problem is that when with some documents, sometimes, when the >>>>>>>>> user scrolls down the document, some pages are not drawn or even >>>>>>>>> partially drawn. When the user clicks the place where the page is >>>>>>>>> supposed to appear, it shows up. >>>>>>>>> Another interesting bit is seems that while the scroll view >>>>>>>>> background is drawn, the document views (the view containing the page >>>>>>>>> views) drawRect is not called or at least not taking effect, I can >>>>>>>>> tell because the pages on this view cast a shadow which is drawn by >>>>>>>>> drawing blank squares on the document view with a transparency layer. >>>>>>>>> Last bit of info, copiesOnScroll set to NO for this view and I see >>>>>>>>> that this property is deprecated on Catalina. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So far I'm struggling with this for a couple of weeks, I wasn't able >>>>>>>>> to reproduce this at all on my machine. >>>>>>>>> I'm really desperate for an answer and while I'm not expecting anyone >>>>>>>>> here to provide me with one (wouldn't object, of course :-)) I would >>>>>>>>> love if people reading this might try to speculate to the causes of >>>>>>>>> this or perhaps if you have any direction as to what to test on my >>>>>>>>> users machines in order to be able to reproduce this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Eyal Redler >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> "If Uri Geller bends spoons with divine powers, then he's doing it >>>>>>>>> the hard way." >>>>>>>>> --James Randi >>>>>>>>> www.eyalredler.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. 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