2-cent note from an uninformed lurker… I busted my rear for couple of years learning and getting to think in Obj C, and I love the object oriented feel it has, especially compared with the likes of C++ and Java, where object orientation feels like a tacked-on afterthought.
Okay, so now there's Swift. Ugh. At first glance it looks like a throwback to Basic (let x =), so it make me shudder. I suppose I'll hold my nose and learn it, but the main question would be why? Is there some glaring irredeemable deficiency in Obj C that will end its days? I don’t recall anyone clamoring for a new language… What problem/issue/deficiency is Swift intended to address? The mindset I use when programming in Obj C is “pure and simple object orientation”. What mindset am I to adopt in learning Swift? I’m having a hard time getting a “feel” for Swift's orientation. It seems so… syntaxy. -Carl > On Jun 12, 2015, at 6:59 PM, Maxthon Chan <m...@maxchan.info> wrote: > > It seemed to me that my decision on start learning Swift this year dodged a > bullet here. Still my Swift experience will not start until I built a Swift > compiler on Linux. > > For me the embedded land is still C and C only. In 8-bit land Microchip XC8 > for PIC as well as SDCC for Intel 8051 are C only, and AVR-GCC’s C++ support > is rarely used by me (unless I am doing something with Arduino) and on 32-bit > since I generally don’t use Cortex-M, the ARM9, ARM11 and Cortex-A processors > that I use generally runs Linux and hence GNUstep, so those will use a mix of > C and Objective-C. > > Call me a weirdo as my recent Web project is written in pure C, as an Apache > 2.4 module. > >> On Jun 13, 2015, at 09:31, Roland King <r...@rols.org> wrote: >> >> >>> On 13 Jun 2015, at 08:51, Maxthon Chan <m...@maxchan.info> wrote: >>> >>> News outlets says that Objective-C is quickly falling out of people’s >>> attention and developers are turning away from it to Swift and C++. So what >>> language will you use to code various parts of your new project? >>> Objective-C? Swift 2? C++? Or the good old plain C? >>> >>> For me, it is still Objective-C and plain C, maybe Swift 2 in the future. I >>> always hated C++ for its confusing feature set and difficulty in mastering >>> it, let alone fragile ABI and inability to use modules to accelerate >>> compilation time. I never looked at the original version of Swift language >>> closely because it is not feature stable yet and it is confusing since all >>> my previous experiences are Objective-C, Visual Basic .net and a little bit >>> C# (I am a convert from Windows and Windows Phone camp, gave up Microsoft >>> four years ago when I began to see the downfall of Windows as a decent >>> operating system) The Objective-C and C also have the advantage of being >>> able to be ported rather effortlessly to Linux using GNUstep. >>> >>> Swift 2 though, provided all (Objective-)C currently have, so I am >>> interested and will look into it once I downloaded Xcode 7. >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> I wouldn’t take a sod of notice what “News Outlets” say. They wouldn’t know >> a programming language from a large hole in the ground and are mostly >> regurgitating frothy press articles and random surveys. >> >> I would start learning Swift. It was a rough experience last year, it’s >> looking orders of magnitude better this year, because Apple put some serious >> hard work into it and responded to the piles and piles of bug reports they >> must have had when it first came out. It’s where the puck is going at least >> for Apple OS programming, and it’s pretty usable although it’s going to take >> me a while before I really start getting the full power out of it. >> >> I hadn’t touched C++ for years until recently, but it came in very handy >> for, of all things, some embedded programming. >> >> So right tool for the right job. I’d keep them all sharp and use them >> appropriately. > > _______________________________________________ > > Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) > > Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. > Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/newslists%40autonomy.caltech.edu > > This email sent to newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu _______________________________________________ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
