Jeff Ramsdale dijo: > Hi all, > > I'm just curious about something. I've been reading the Cocoon-users > list for a couple of weeks or so and I see a lot of folks in Europe (and > Australia--Jeff T!) interested in Cocoon. I'm sure it's not a matter of > Americans (& Canadians?) not being interested, I'm sure. (Oh, & Antonio, > I don't want to leave you out!) Right?
I know that, thanks to include me in this philosophical thread.! ;-) When I started working with Cocoon, I noted that the almost people working here is from Europe. But to be true I never asked my self about this inetereting question. First of all, I think I can speak a little about the 2 worlds. I am from Nicaragua (from the ones that dont know where is it - my country is the center of America. Check a map a you will see I am right) ;-) As a Latinoamerican I had the opportunity to studies my university at Technical University at Kosice, Slovakia (Please, this is not the old Yugoslavia, there is Slovenia. Slovakia is from the old Czecholvoakia - the land of the most beautiful women ;-). In slovakia I spend 7 years of my life: 1- Learning slovak language 5- Univerity 1- Working for a company called Novitech. After that my roots called me back to my country, where I am living now. There in Slovakia, I have contact with the European Mind. Of course in my country I have always contact with the American Mind. I think there is really a diference of mind between Americans and Europeans. You can note it inmediately. Of course I will not talk about that because this is not the main topic of the thread. I just write it to tell that there is a diference in many aspects. I think that Matthew is right. When posted: > * Cocoon is strong on multi-channel publishing - especially useful for > application scenarios in the mobile market. There are a lot of differences > between these markets in Europe and the US. However the US will eventually > catch up - so watch for Cocoon to become stronger there. - I can add that believe it or not GSM comes here at the end of 2002. Of course we used mobile phones since 90-ties but that was CDMA - the American technology. As a European formed professional I tasted the GSM in Europe and I always thinked that GSM is better than CDMA. Then here was not the market that Matthew pointed. Currently with the intro of GSM here started to talk about "lastest" technology and WML, WAP, etc. I hope this market will grow in the next years. > * There are a lot of corporate mergers happening in Europe - and so an > integration platform is needed. Another of Cocoon's strong points. - I agree, here this is a unipolar world, even if there are merges or not. Always is Microsoft. I think this is because of the strong marketing campaigns that MS do in this part of the world. In my country there is only a handfull people using technology out of MS. Here the missconception about all MS is the best is very strong between people. But I fell that this will change in the next because of the high Licences and the currently economics problems around the world. Just remember that MS made many contracs with people at Universities around the world to make sure new IT professionals will be good trained in the MS way. I selled my 1st Cocoon project and when customer asked me about the cost of implementation (Licences of OS, Database, etc.) He does not believe that the cost will be near zero. And asked me a second time because he was concerned about legal issues. :-) > * Cocoon is a European driven project. It was started by an Italian > and most of the developers are European. Sorry, I dont agree partially here. There are many other people working here. Internet breaks the frontiers. Linux was a European driven project, but now is worldwide. Maybe this reason is only circunstantial right now. I hope Cocoon will become a worldwide driven project. Maybe here we can rewrite it: "Cocoon is a European borned project". > * The visibility of Cocoon is high in European publications and events > (magazines, conferences). This again feeds back into the project. -dont know. I have no acces to printed publications, since BYTE (http://www.byte.com) stop sending magazines and I had payed a 2 years subscription! I never pay a subscription again. And in Internet I dont see from where is the website. > * There is a strong movement on Open Source in European governments and > related institutions Yes, but remember that this movement is wordwide now. The movement on every country is leaded by diferent people that has his own point of view. For example: I was mailing with the Argentina's movement and there they does not like Java because it is not "open source" in the correct sense. Maybe they are too purist in this things. They prefer perl, python and similars. Please, I dont want to start a battle about what language is the best of the best. I just pointed that because for this movement Cocoon is not part of the most important things about the movement. They are most concerned about the use of Linux as platform in goverments. I thinked about this, then Java lose power. Why? Simple: "I dont need a multi OS language or a slow Virtual Machine. I will use only one plataform: Linux." But, from my point of view: I choosed Java mainly to let people choose between Linux and Windows. I always try to setup Linux servers, but if the people is hardcoded about MS, then I can install the same application on Windows too. I think this part of the power that Cocoon give us. As consultor I recommend my clients, but always the final word is from him. > * Open Source is becoming a theme for large corporations in Europe. When > we started our humble open source group 2 1/2 years ago - no-one was > interested. Now the story is very different. I think this is worldwide too. Just see the Linuxworld expo in NY. By the way, writting this mail I was starting think about the pure concept of the Apache Licence, maybe there is where we need to find the answer. Some people dont like it. I think the Apache model is somewhere between propietary and truly OpenSource Licences. And maybe the people leading the Open Sources movements are more fundamentalist: "They dont like things 'between', they are truly Open Source". I hope this will be usefull too. ;-) Best Regards, Antonio Gallardo. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
