I've been working with Cocoon for a little over a year now (in the US) and have certainly have had that feeling. There have been some really good points so far which I won't recapitulate. I'll just add a couple of tidbits:
- I have been looking for Cocoon related jobs in the US and haven't found a single one (yet). - There haven't been (yet) any big name companies adopting cocoon publicly - this would help. - I have made some wrong assumptions based on names, and other cues (how well they seem to know the people who I _know_ live in Europe) only to find they are in the States. - I think the books have helped visibility here - I've noticed more name recognition recently when I mention Cocoon. - I think some here will take a "wait and see" attitude to see if Cocoon will "jump the pond". - We need some Cocoon users groups in the US. I'm in DC and know there's at least 5-10 regulars on the list from here. (maybe I'll meet them at John Callahan's shpiel). Anyone in DC up for a C.H.U.G.? (Cocoon Hackers & Users Group) Geoff > -----Original Message----- > From: John Callahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:33 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cocoon use worldwide > > > Jeff, > > I live and work in Washington, D.C. USA and see the > need for Cocoon rising rapidly in government and industry. > The primary reason is the lack of "content scalability" from > other solutions (ASP,JSP,CFM). These technologies suffer > from poor support for pipelining XML easily and their difficulty > in handling the myriad of device requirements, i18n, etc. I do > believe that the European part of the Cocoon community has > pioneered these facets of Cocoon due to the need to solve > their immediate i18n and mobile device problems (see the > intro part of Carsten & Matthew's book for example). > > We're using Cocoon on health care projects that need to > protect XML content at a fine-grain level based on a user's > role, context, and state of the data. Rather than embedding > this logic completely in the persistence layer or code (a DB > or EJBs), we're doing it within transforms and actions. This > allows us to audit various transactions to ensure they meet > HIPAA guidelines at a very detailed level and express those > data security policies as constraints on XPath expressions - > which non-programmers like physicians can actually read > and understand! :-) We've also been able to more easily > cast their web applications as web services, VoiceXML > services, and as AvantGo sources (e.g., a directory of > regional physicians). > > Finally, the development and deployment of Cocoon > solutions are very cost effective (TCD and TCO). We've > seen several competitors go out-of-business while trying to > move to the .NET platform because the cost of retraining and > retooling was too much for them in the current economy. > Meanwhile, Java and XML savvy developers are more > available than ever in our area and most are enthusiastic > supporters of Open Source efforts. The Linux/Java/Tomcat/Cocoon > combo is just right for small companies in the current economy. > AFAIK, Microsoft still dominates government and industry efforts, > but they are not nearly as dominant as 2 years ago. > > I enjoy the multi-national flavor of Cocoon and see it as a > great strength. I'm giving a tutorial on Cocoon next month > ( http://www.eccnet.com/xmlug/ ) here in D.C. I also noticed > that Ivelin Ivanov is giving a talk in Austin, TX USA next > month too ( http://www.xmlaustin.org/_html_out/main/events.html ) > > -- jack > > John R. Callahan > Sphere Software Corporation - The Intelligence of XML > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Ramsdale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:48 PM > Subject: Cocoon use worldwide > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm just curious about something. I've been reading the > Cocoon-users list > > for a couple of weeks or so and I see a lot of folks in Europe (and > > Australia--Jeff T!) interested in Cocoon. I'm sure it's not a matter of > > Americans (& Canadians?) not being interested, I'm sure. (Oh, & > Antonio, I > > don't want to leave you out!) Right? > > > > With the utmost respect for the Project I observe that Cocoon > is a bit of > a > > fringe product as far as web development is concerned. I happen > to believe > > this "fringe" is the leading edge of something big, which is > why I'm here. > > So here's my question: If any of what I've said above has truth > in it, is > > there a particular reason why Cocoon might have special appeal to > Europeans? > > Is there something about the mindset of European programmers that leads > them > > to Cocoon? Is Open-Source Software viewed differently, on the whole, in > > Europe than America? Does this have anything to do with Microsoft's > > influence in America? I guess that's more than one question! > Interested in > > your observations... > > > > Reason I ask... I live in Seattle (Microsoft-land), and I'd love to find > > work using Cocoon and/or Java (but especially Cocoon!), but I > don't see as > > much mindshare here as I think it deserves. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Please check that your question has not already been answered in the > > FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Please check that your question has not already been answered in the > FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
