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handwave, handwave.  you claimed 'total transparency;' i simply
illustrated why i suspected it was no such thing.  you have confirmed
that.

Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> So, I still maintain that a cultural difference lay behind the difference of 
> opinion, whether the mail to the Metro group, to the Avalon PMC and 
> accessible by all ASF members were of confidential nature or not.

perhaps.  i personally don't buy it.

> And I sure did check with Stephen McConnell what his take was on quoting his 
> name straight up, and he had no objections whatsoever.

you really don't seem to understand.  *stephen* wasn't on the distribution
list, and yet you checked with him.  had he been informed before you did
so?  and you also failed to bother to even inform, much less get permission
from, the person you quoted.  or the private distribution to which the
message was sent.  you just took it on yourself to broadcast it to the
world, only bothering to check with someone who was deliberately and explicitly
*omitted* from the distribution for reasons sufficient to the sender.

you seem to agree that acceptable behaviour is defined by agreements.
very well, let me spell it out: by participating in the apache projects,
you are tacitly agreeing to abide by the rules behaviour the organisation
considers acceptable.  in case it wasn't clear, let me make it so now:
one of those is "if someone entrusts information to you in confidence,
you DO NOT expose it unless legally required or with the permission of
the source."

i do not intend to 'fuel the flames,' but neither do i intend to let anyone
get away unchallenged with assertions or implications about our organisation
that are patently untrue.
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#ken    P-(}

Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini  http://Ken.Coar.Org/
Author, developer, opinionist      http://Apache-Server.Com/

"Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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