2. The described 'worst-case' scenario, makes me not inclined to take Merlin
away from the ASF.
Are you hinting at the bank story? Hm. Quite frankly, I think people are being oversold on the size of the Merlin community ATM, and individual cases are being extrapolated into broad tendencies. We use Merlin in a project of ours, BTW. The code and vision are good. If the license terms stay the same, we wouldn't care too much about whether Merlin is an Apache project or not. I must honestly say I've been personally considering to offer you guys a Subversion repository if you really don't want to go to Sourceforge.
from that follows a set of options, a. A TLP. b. The Incubator. c. Another project/federation.
a. is what we have opted for as the most preferred scenario from our perspective.
For better or for worse, creating TLPs to fulfill personal desires isn't the business of the ASF. I see the Metro TLP request as a way to steer around the actual problems, and I also see the value of being part of the Apache family being less appreciated than it should. Whether you like this or not, the foundation isn't only about simple implementation or interpretation of rules - it's primarily about people. If people start evaluating rules as to check whether there's a way to still settle their own private agendas, something rotten is going on.
b. is in the group considered a "death sentence". Be that an overstatement,
some users are indicating it to be a signal of the negative kind.
Being a member of the Incubator PMC, this obviously hits some nerves with me. Any ASF project, at any time, should have no issues at all with passing the simple criteria that were established in order to be able to enter the foundation. Saying incubation would mean a death sentence for Metro means you already know about severe issues with these criteria. Or you suspect that we are biased in judging Metro along these criteria. If that would be the case, I'm really sure that everyone on the Incubation PMC is mature enough to abstain if he feels too biased.
c. we are unable to see that the technology fits naturally within any other
project, but I am all ears if there is an opinion towards this.
An confrontational but well-wishing advise from me would be to take Metro out of Apache for 6 to 12 months, and re-approach Apache as a fresh project with no murky past after that.
</Steven> -- Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XML An Orixo Member Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
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