From: "Gunlaug Sørtun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> The bottom line is that em-based dimensions doesn't have to fight >>> visitors preferences and available browser-options. Em-based >>> dimensions can be used intelligently within the framework of >>> improved usability for all visitors. >> >> >> I agree, except I think perhaps our definitions of what's >> intelligent >> use is different ;-) Here is my take on intelligent and "useful" >> use >> of ems: >> http://www.projectseven.com/products/menusystems/tbm/demos/design_grunge.htm >> >> You probably think it's broken, right :-) > > In Firefox: yes, completely broken by design ;-) > It is fighting user-preferences, and Firefox doesn't have any real > defenses. Think I'll have to give it some...
In my opinion it works - especially for a family member with limited vision, which is totally logical to me. > In Opera: working just fine down to around 300px window-width, but > that > navigation becomes less user-friendly. Nice linear look on narrow > windows. Not well prepared for smaller screens - yet..? I'm not at all sure what you mean. The page works fine as far as I can see. If you are talkinig about the linearized sub-links, well, that would be a user (one of our customers) preference to either hide them from handhelds or not. It's none of my business. The rest of the page is fine as far as I'm concerned. > On the "intelligent" part... I think we can live with those > differences > - see: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought> > --- I don't believe in using the wikipedia. I personally think it's a dangerous thing :-) I believe in classic reference sources developed by professionals. > BTW: your description of Roger's site is what makes it work, IMO. On > wide browser-windows it will keep proportions. I have tested it to > 3800 > window-width, which is the space needed for around 500% text-zoom > and > em-based width. Suits me just fine. And that's what makes it a failure to me. It might work fine for you or for other developers who perhaps understand how to work with browsers - and that might be fine because his site is meant for web developers.... but it's broken for the real world, in my opinion. > On narrow windows it will respect both _my_ font-size and _my_ > window-width, and "forget" everything about proportions. I think he > must > have applied that width-method with visitors in mind :-) Proportions are what count in terms of readability. I think you are just allergic to horizontal scrolling :-) People with poor eyesight might be willing to scroll to the right for a second or third column if they are blessed with a comfortable number of characters per line. > (I have no idea what Roger is "fixing" at the moment. I have parts > of > his site in an Opera-tab from earlier today, since Opera is a pretty > aggressive "down-loader" by default.) It's back up now, and I still don't like it. I think we'll have to agree to disagree, because I like my technique much better and the alternative does not move me one bit :-) Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com "Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that repairs are scheduled for next Tuesday". ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
