-Caveat Lector-
Mr. Turnstall,
First of all, your assumption that I am mad, is wrong.
Not at all. As a matter of fact, I am extremely happy to have my
FREEDOM back. :-))
Secondly...
I was not quarreling with you . . .
I was merely commenting, after your previous comments.
Thirdly...
The government should NOT be providing much of anything, except perhaps,
a small amount of HELP for a short period of time, and should be
originating
not only education, but also providing a springboard, in a job to help
build
some self-worth and self-esteem back into people who, as you said, and
I agree, have been punished and humiliated by these programs...
(I know. ... been there, done that, and bought the t-shirt). but rather
providing
jobs, so that people who do want a chance to get off the program have an
opportunity to start earning a living, instead of pleading to hand them a
living.
Most of these people do not want to be on these programs, but you have
many factions, including the elitists who WANT people down and out on the
programs, and this is why you have people such as the liberal democrats
passing laws, without knowing the real dynamics of poverty... they can
only
imagine it, because they have never been in such a situation, nor, shall
they
in this life most likely ever experience it. (And too bad... they might
learn some
priceless lessons about life, true liberty, and true freedom).
I vary to differ with you about most Americans hating the poor, or the
working
class. What would they do without them? No, rather, they love them!
As long as the poor, the depraved and the working class exist, the elitists
will play
corporate and governmental hopscotch across their backs, while they get
wealthier and wealthier, off the middle class people's dimes. But, lest I
discount
American Freedom and the Liberty to pursue happiness and the American Dream,
it seems there is an alternate solution, leaving capitalism in place,
without
bringing liberalism aka: "socialism" to the front of the stage.
That is why I hire government officials, i.e. by voting them in or out of
office,
to maintain some sanity and structure, without the government running every
aspect of America's private lives.
I worked for a man who is around number 54 in Forbes... who has so much
money,
that his great great great grandchildren can live and die without spending
it all.
Will he help those workers who have worked their behinds off, by the sweat
of their brow, and whom he only pays pennies to for work that is worth
twice
as much as he pays? NO! He won't. Because there is always someone in
line who says, "I'll do the job for less pay".
When I was sent back to work, the first time after my injury... most of
the ethnic
people who worked there had been replaced with Laocian and Viet Namese. The
workplace changed so as to incorporate three bulletin boards, instead of
one; it
changed to incorporate two break rooms instead of one. Communications
dropped
to an all time low, as most of them could not speak English, and we had to
have
interpretors come in to speak in their languages when we had meetings. The
meetings
took twice as long, and were not nearly as effective. The whole genre of
the
area changed, to look as though they were appealing to those who worked for
less,
while putting those who had time, and seniority out looking for other jobs,
and
for the most part, leaving, as hours were cut, so those who would take
less and
work less hours, could replace anyone who might ask for a bit more. This
owner
was and still is a slave driver. His empire should reflect a plantation
house, instead
of the building looming on the skyline as something out of Star Wars.
I was injured at work, while also going to college. THIS is why I was told
to
take these programs. I must say though,
my children had the best doctors, all the best medical/dental coverage
possible, and they never had an empty cabinet or refrigerator. Clothes,
were
mostly second hand. (Freebies from the local thrift store, who had a give
away day,
because after utility bills were paid, we had no 'luxury' money). Often we
didn't even
have enough to buy personal products or disinfectants, including soap,
except
once a month, the thrift store might have some in stock, but it was rare.
And you bet I have a quarrel with the government. I've placed my
complaints,
and I am getting action. They don't want their internal dirty laundry
exposed.
I still say, that if I can buckle down, bail out of government programs
with an
injury, anyone can.
And like I said, when we get some sanity in the White House, and in the
other
branches... we might see some reverse in poverty and depravity.
I do agree with you though...
>>> We could have such a system, but we would have to reverse about
thirty-five years of misguided economic/social policies...policies pushed
by BOTH political parties.<<<
eagle1
-----Original Message-----
From: William Hugh Tunstall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, June 05, 1999 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Say "NO" To Socialized Health Care Today!
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>Eagle,
>I don't quite understand the post. You're mad because the system does an
>inadequate job of helping people? I would agree. Whenever this government
>tries to help people, it does a miserable job. Why? Because in case you
>haven't noticed, for the most part, Americans, in general, hate the poor
>and the working class.
>
>I can prove my point quite easily. The average worker in 1999 earns LESS
>than she did in 1978. The wages of American working men and women have
>fallen during the past twenty-five years, while the income of the top ten
>percent have experienced a phenomenal increase that is unprecedented in
>terms of American economic history. If you look at every other
>industrialized nation in the developed world, none of them have
>experienced this kind of widening gap between the haves and have-nots.
>And what has our reactionary corporate dominated government done in
>response to the economic downturn for the bottom eighty percent of the
>American population? Worse than nothing. The social safety net has
>been dismantled.
>
>The welfare system in America is designed to be punitive and humiliating,
>not helpful. Surely, you realize this. The whole
>purpose of the welfare system is designed to get people back into the
>workforce. Also, do you really believe it's accidental that the country
>is constantly flooded with millions of illegal aliens and refugees to
>be added to the surplus labor pool? Poverty must be maintained, supported
>and institutionalized in our nation. Poverty and human misery is good for
>business. If people are desperate enough, they'll work for anything, do
>anything to stay alive. Your quarrel is not with me, Eagle, but with our
>system.
>
>I want a government that takes
>into account the best economic interests of its citizens. And you know
>what? We could have such a system, but we would have to reverse about
>thirty-five years of misguided economic/social policies...policies pushed
>by BOTH political parties.
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