-Caveat Lector-
Why do you feel the need to play these little, crappy rhetorical games?
Come on,
MJ. Stop hiding behind your little one-liners and snippets.
What do you really believe in... ? What makes your spirit soar?
On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
> A man or woman's character is meaningless in America. It
> is the possession of wealth that matters. Of course, you
> or I might judge individuals differently; but for the most
> part, Americans judge and evaluate one another on the basis
> of material possessions: the clothes one wears, the car one
> drives, the house one lives in.
> MJ:
> Fallacy of ad hoc, gross generalization and wild ass guess.
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
> WHy do I believe that? Well, I've lived in California,
> Washington, Kentucky, New York, Washington and North
> Dakota..... In my own experience, it is money that talks,
> bullshit that walks.
> MJ:
> Fallacy of anecdotal evidence.
>
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
> There are individuals who scrub toilets for a living, who
> work hard, struggle against incredible odds to provide for
> their families, and in this country, they go unrecognized
> and unrewarded. Do you think Americans care about these
> honest, hardworking individuals who play by the rules?
> Not really.
>
> No. Americans are interested in and fascinated by those
> who possess wealth... and as a society, we encourage our
> children to "get up there" by whatever means necessary,
> so that they won't have to know the day-to-day indignities
> of what it's like to be poor.
>
> To be poor and without property in a society that worships
> property and possessions means that your life is at the
> disposal of others. So, if you lack property, and your
> mom and dad were not loaded, you have to sell whatever you
> can to survive. Well, what can be sold? Talents, skills,
> labor... some sell their bodies, Mr. Johnson. In Thailand,
> poor moms and dads sell their female children to brothels.
> MJ:
> Nice emotive speech, but what has it to do with reality?
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
> Given the fact that if you don't sell yourself to others in
> order to survive, you won't eat, it's not surprising that
> the majority of those who sell themselves are VERY interested
> in doing anything and everything to make their masters happy.
>
> Whatever ethical or moral concerns one might
> have, become less important in the struggle for survival.
>
> Not surprisingly, crime has always been a very problem...among
> all social classes. Remember the success of the Godfather
> movie? The line between criminal and legal behavior is a
> fine one... many saw the Corleone family as
> heroes....misunderstood
> entrepeneurs who were only supplying people with what they want.
>
> And so human beings become commodities, things to be bought
> and sold in the marketplace of life, to be bought and sold
> by those who DO have the money. The transformation of human
> beings into things bothers me... SOmehow, I don't find it
> inspiring.
>
> Perhaps, it's because I believe human beings have a spiritual
> nature, and there is something fundamentally wrong about
> reducing human beings down to the level of objects. And
> there is something fundamentally wrong about a society that
> values money more than they value the wellbeing of their own
> children.
>
> I would suggest that if we truly were so concerned about the
> poor and the problems of poor children, we would change our
> priorities. But that's not likely, is it?
>
> MJ:
> Not certain where you are driving this bus ... call me stupid, but
> can you reduce this diatrible into a two or three sentence assertion?
>
> Regard$,
> --MJ
>
> I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and
> yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish
> to ease his lot by all possible means -- except by getting off his
> back. -- Leo Tolstoy
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