@Martin > I didn't say the developers aren't photographers. I know that some are colour scientists. And I didn't say anything about Lightroom.
If some of the developers are professional GUI designers, I'm sorry I didn't know that. On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 10:07, Martin Straeten <martin.strae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thats nonsense. The darktable developers are not just linux developers but > also photographers with much more experience in color science than most usual > Lightroom users. This experience is manifestated in darktable. > If you're just looking for a free/linux Lightroom alternative then you're on > the wrong playground here ... > > Am Mi., 17. Feb. 2021 um 10:18 Uhr schrieb Archie Macintosh > <archie...@gmx.co.uk>: >> >> @Kneops > You are raising a genuine issue. Linux applications – dt >> included – are built by some trully brilliant programmers; but they >> aren't GUI designers. The GUIs in free software often grow by >> accretion, user-feedback, design adjustments forced by software >> developments, and agreements between developers. Design issues are >> very much secondary to how the programming implements processes. >> >> So how users other than the developers themselves actually use (or >> want to use) the software is rarely a major consideration. And this >> isn't surprising: software development is demanding in time and skill; >> we're lucky to get the astonishing quality of work that goes into >> building dt, and to have developers who are passionate about finding >> computing solutions to difficult image-processing problems. You just >> don't find many designers who want to commit that amount of time and >> effort outside working hours. So people who aren't primarily designers >> do their best, but often bring their programming habits with them. >> (You'll have seen Bruce Williams looking perplexed in his excellent >> training videos when he has to explain why an ordered list starts at >> the botttom and goes up, unlike any ordered list you're likely to come >> across in daily life!) >> >> When users innocently raise issues about interface design, it can feel >> like nit-picking ingratitude.So it's not really surprising that some >> folk get irritated. Until a bounteous designer comes along, we must >> just be thankful for what we've got! >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 08:34, Kneops <kne...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > I started this topic/conversation about the GUI, but at first it was >> > just a question, if the order could be changed to make it feel more >> > logical and pleasant to me to work with. I now understand the reasoning >> > behind this and that it should not be changed. But underneath there is >> > more I must admit. >> > >> > Many friends who are photographers, amateur and professional, I have >> > pointed towards Linux because I love it and never want to go back to >> > Windows and Apple. They have mastered Gimp and love that program too, so >> > they never use Photoshop anymore. But they never mastered any raw editor >> > on Linux. All admit DT is extremely powerfull and the best one available >> > for Linux, but all stick to one of the (payed) alternatives on Windows >> > or Apple because they find them more intuitive and quicker and very >> > visual. They (and I) don't think in numbers, ranges and curves, but in >> > light, shadow, sharpness, blur, color, contrast, texture. LR for example >> > works as an extension of that mind and it named all tools to resemble >> > what the user 'feels' that has to be done to create a good image. I >> > think that is why it is so popular. >> > >> > I don't want to say LR is better than DT, absolutely not (!), but I'm a >> > trained photographer and after working with DT on and off for about 3 >> > years now, I still don't manage to get the results I want, and if I do >> > it takes much more work. 'Then pick another tool and stop complaining' >> > is a reply I sometimes get, and that is true too ;). The thing is I >> > regret that there is no real alternative to all the Windows/Apple >> > programs that could move more people over to Linux. So for now my >> > friends keep working on their Windows machines and I still have two >> > computers I have to switch between. One with LR and Capture One, and my >> > Linux pc for everything else. Meanwhile I hope for some other open >> > source raw editor emerging on the Linux platform and I bravely keep on >> > trying to master DT because I want to get rid of that Windows machine :). >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Op 16-02-2021 om 23:31 schreef Andrew Greig: >> > > >> > > In a similar fashion if you learn the order of progression of the tools >> > > in Darktable, your work will become more efficient and more pleasant. I >> > > have seen edits presented on YouTube which involve around 30 modules, >> > > apparently common in landscape photography, whereas I use around 6 >> > > modules as a rule, I am a studio photographer and I work on getting as >> > > much right as I can through metering and exposing correctly. Is there >> > > more I could do? Sure, and I do learn incrementally, but just what I >> > > need. >> > ____________________________________________________________________________ >> > darktable user mailing list >> > to unsubscribe send a mail to >> > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> darktable user mailing list >> to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> ____________________________________________________________________________ darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
