Hi all, I desire to let you have my opinion about this matter. In the past I pushed a lot to have this feature. Together with me many other USERS did the same... Really, I cannot understand why we cannot have a tab on which any USER can list his/her preferred modules and can order them as per his/her preferred workflow.
If I look to a car I probably can identify 70% of its visible components. If I look to a disassembled car, I could identify 20% of components. Despite this fact I drive a car every day and I know perfectly how to do a lot of things because I am COMFORTABLE with its "GUI". My concern is we are not asking to change dt GUI. We do not want to change the multi-sliders interface with a single-slide one (LR, RT). We simply ask to have a tab with a COMFORTABLE list of modules. The pipeline is another matter. Only a TECHNICIAN can know very well how the pipeline works and why. A normal user or also an advanced user (pro photographer) does not know and, probably, does not care. I have to develop an image trying to obtain a pleasant result. I am a photographer (a USER), not an engineer (a TECHNICIAN). I have great respect for all devs putting such efforts in this software. dt is really good and in the recent past months has growth a lot! Nevertheless I still cannot understand why users cannot be COMFORTABLE with it... Thanks, Maurizio Il giorno mer 17 feb 2021 alle ore 12:12 Archie Macintosh < archie...@gmx.co.uk> ha scritto: > @Martin > I didn't say the developers aren't photographers. I know > that some are colour scientists. And I didn't say anything about > Lightroom. > > If some of the developers are professional GUI designers, I'm sorry I > didn't know that. > > > On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 10:07, Martin Straeten <martin.strae...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Thats nonsense. The darktable developers are not just linux developers > but also photographers with much more experience in color science than most > usual Lightroom users. This experience is manifestated in darktable. > > If you're just looking for a free/linux Lightroom alternative then > you're on the wrong playground here ... > > > > Am Mi., 17. Feb. 2021 um 10:18 Uhr schrieb Archie Macintosh < > archie...@gmx.co.uk>: > >> > >> @Kneops > You are raising a genuine issue. Linux applications – dt > >> included – are built by some trully brilliant programmers; but they > >> aren't GUI designers. The GUIs in free software often grow by > >> accretion, user-feedback, design adjustments forced by software > >> developments, and agreements between developers. Design issues are > >> very much secondary to how the programming implements processes. > >> > >> So how users other than the developers themselves actually use (or > >> want to use) the software is rarely a major consideration. And this > >> isn't surprising: software development is demanding in time and skill; > >> we're lucky to get the astonishing quality of work that goes into > >> building dt, and to have developers who are passionate about finding > >> computing solutions to difficult image-processing problems. You just > >> don't find many designers who want to commit that amount of time and > >> effort outside working hours. So people who aren't primarily designers > >> do their best, but often bring their programming habits with them. > >> (You'll have seen Bruce Williams looking perplexed in his excellent > >> training videos when he has to explain why an ordered list starts at > >> the botttom and goes up, unlike any ordered list you're likely to come > >> across in daily life!) > >> > >> When users innocently raise issues about interface design, it can feel > >> like nit-picking ingratitude.So it's not really surprising that some > >> folk get irritated. Until a bounteous designer comes along, we must > >> just be thankful for what we've got! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 08:34, Kneops <kne...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > I started this topic/conversation about the GUI, but at first it was > >> > just a question, if the order could be changed to make it feel more > >> > logical and pleasant to me to work with. I now understand the > reasoning > >> > behind this and that it should not be changed. But underneath there is > >> > more I must admit. > >> > > >> > Many friends who are photographers, amateur and professional, I have > >> > pointed towards Linux because I love it and never want to go back to > >> > Windows and Apple. They have mastered Gimp and love that program too, > so > >> > they never use Photoshop anymore. But they never mastered any raw > editor > >> > on Linux. All admit DT is extremely powerfull and the best one > available > >> > for Linux, but all stick to one of the (payed) alternatives on Windows > >> > or Apple because they find them more intuitive and quicker and very > >> > visual. They (and I) don't think in numbers, ranges and curves, but in > >> > light, shadow, sharpness, blur, color, contrast, texture. LR for > example > >> > works as an extension of that mind and it named all tools to resemble > >> > what the user 'feels' that has to be done to create a good image. I > >> > think that is why it is so popular. > >> > > >> > I don't want to say LR is better than DT, absolutely not (!), but I'm > a > >> > trained photographer and after working with DT on and off for about 3 > >> > years now, I still don't manage to get the results I want, and if I do > >> > it takes much more work. 'Then pick another tool and stop complaining' > >> > is a reply I sometimes get, and that is true too ;). The thing is I > >> > regret that there is no real alternative to all the Windows/Apple > >> > programs that could move more people over to Linux. So for now my > >> > friends keep working on their Windows machines and I still have two > >> > computers I have to switch between. One with LR and Capture One, and > my > >> > Linux pc for everything else. Meanwhile I hope for some other open > >> > source raw editor emerging on the Linux platform and I bravely keep on > >> > trying to master DT because I want to get rid of that Windows machine > :). > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Op 16-02-2021 om 23:31 schreef Andrew Greig: > >> > > > >> > > In a similar fashion if you learn the order of progression of the > tools > >> > > in Darktable, your work will become more efficient and more > pleasant. I > >> > > have seen edits presented on YouTube which involve around 30 > modules, > >> > > apparently common in landscape photography, whereas I use around 6 > >> > > modules as a rule, I am a studio photographer and I work on getting > as > >> > > much right as I can through metering and exposing correctly. Is > there > >> > > more I could do? Sure, and I do learn incrementally, but just what > I need. > >> > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > >> > darktable user mailing list > >> > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > >> > > >> > ____________________________________________________________________________ > >> darktable user mailing list > >> to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > >> > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > ____________________________________________________________________________ darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
